i think it's shocking there are people that will disagree with this

ARogueTrader · Feb 24, 2004

How do you know it was concocted by man? That is simply your belief.

You don't know but you do believe it to be fact.

Quote from Gordon Gekko:

before i go anywhere with this topic, SHOW EVIDENCE SOULS EXISTS. i'm not going to discuss something that is basically concocted by man. where is the proof that there is something called a soul that exists separate from the active brain?? you won't find it because it is just wishful thinking by the religious.

ARogueTrader · Feb 24, 2004

Fully non sequitur.

Quote from rowenwood:

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this topic renewed for another round of art stupidity.

Unlimited intellect, ART, You believe in sea monsters! ART cannot possibly be as stupid as he makes himself out to be. ART tries to annoy us.

ART is actually a hardcore agnostic or atheist.

Gordon Gekko · Feb 24, 2004

Quote from ARogueTrader:

How do you know what the soul, if it exists separate from the body, does when the body dies?

You don't know, you believe.

Yes, we know that you have your beliefs, but you are lacking knowledge of the proof of them.

until you provide evidence souls exists, my default belief is not going to be that they do.

i can say with confidence my bones are separate from my eyeballs. you can only say with an imagination that a soul is a separate thing from an active brain.

ARogueTrader · Feb 24, 2004

You can maintain your belief systems. I support freedom of religion.

You can have just as much confidence as a theist about what happens after death, but neither your faith nor their faith has any bearing on what actually happens after death.

Personal confidence has no bearing on the truth or falsity of something.

Quote from Gordon Gekko:

until you provide evidence souls exists, my default belief is not going to be that they do.

i can say with confidence my bones are separate from my eyeballs. you can only say with an imagination that a soul is a separate thing from an active brain.

ARogueTrader · Feb 24, 2004

This is the key element:

"my default belief"

GG has a belief system, they call it atheism. It is not fact, it is not objective science, it is not truth, it is just a belief.

Naturally, he thinks it is the best belief, the correct belief for all human beings, and the belief that everyone else should adopt.

Welcome to the human race.

Quote from Gordon Gekko:

until you provide evidence souls exists, my default belief is not going to be that they do.

i can say with confidence my bones are separate from my eyeballs. you can only say with an imagination that a soul is a separate thing from an active brain.

aphexcoil · Feb 24, 2004

Quote from Gordon Gekko:

before i go anywhere with this topic, SHOW EVIDENCE SOULS EXIST. i'm not going to discuss something that is basically concocted by man. where is the proof that there is something called a soul that exists separate from the active brain?? you won't find it because it is just wishful thinking by the religious.

Evidence, evidence, evidence -- Dr. Watson bring me my damn evidence!

Gordon Gekko · Feb 24, 2004

Quote from ARogueTrader:

This is the key element:

"my default belief"

GG has a belief system, they call it atheism. It is not fact, it is not objective science, it is not truth, it is just a belief.

Naturally, he thinks it is the best belief, the correct belief for all human beings, and the belief that everyone else should adopt.

Welcome to the human race.

if the world operated on your belief system, it would be a mess. everyone could make all kinds of bogus unfounded claims and we'd all just blindly accept them.

the right thing to do is to be scientific--YET ACCEPT THAT WE DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING.

my scientific belief system gives us all the technology we have today. our computers come from my type of thinking, not yours. what do we get from yours? a bunch of fools killing eachother for god all over the world and a bunch of churches all over the place. yay....

Turok · Feb 24, 2004

ART:
>Parents know that Santa Claus and the Easter
>Bunny are imaginary to begin with.

Not true...I think GG is right, ART can't be this stupid.

A parent who knows that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny to be imaginary are merely children who grew up and realized the truth and absurdity of the myths. The did not know this "to begin with" at all (unless they were lucky enough to have parents who didn't perpetuate the myth)

>Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are not by definition
>Eternal, Omniscient, and Unlimited in nature.

I just love the gibberish from ART(ist). He claims that our puny human intellect cannot possible even fathom this god (pint container...gallon of water) AND YET...as an appeal to authority he refers to a definition that has been created ONLY BY HUMANS.

ROFLAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

JB

PS (let's be clear...my attack on ART's intellect is not because of his belief in god -- only his intellectually challenged statements)

LongShot · Feb 24, 2004

I'll start here with this post:

There are those that know [ie have faith] the earth is flat but we who are enlightened know better.

These people are as adamant in their belief as you are in yours.

What precautions have YOU taken to ensure that you are not similarly decieved?? Or at least to give you the edge if not guarantee your conclusion?

we all need an edge. what's your edge??

Quote from ARogueTrader:

good, you know how to use a dictionary and cut & pastee. wonderful.

I did make the assumption that you could understand a dictionary.

ok, you say "limited intellects" cannot know god. so what you're asserting is theists have an "unlimited intellect" because they have gone beyond this "certain limit of understanding" due to "greater experience"??

I said the limited intellect cannot know God because God is beyond the capacity of a limited intellect.

A pint container lacks the capacity to hold a gallon of water.

I did not say that theists know God via the use of the intellect. I say that theists believe in God and practice faith.

what greater experience would provide this unlimited intellect and the grand insight into god that follow?

An unlimited intellect would have the capacity for the greatest experience.

Most theists however have come to the belief that they are not God, but rather accept that there is a higher power they can turn to.

a child matures into an adult and realizes that santee claus and easter bunny are fairy tales. perhaps we atheists have also matured...

Parents know that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are imaginary to begin with.

Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are not by definition Eternal, Omniscient, and Unlimited in nature.

you've eaten the strawberry of god?? in what form did it take? what does god's "strawberry" look like??

God will appear in whatever form you like. The limits are on your side, not God's.

You can imagine sweet? Imagine sweetest.

You can imagine kind? Imagine kindest.

You can imagine intelligent? Imagine most intelligent.

You can imagine loving? Imagine the most loving.

You can imagine the good? Imagine the best.

You can imagine great? Imagine the greatest.

If we imagine something that is real, is the imagination false?

TM_Direct · Feb 24, 2004

Quote from Turok:

"ART:
>Parents know that Santa Claus and the Easter
>Bunny are imaginary to begin with.

Not true...I think GG is right, ART can't be this stupid.

A parent who knows that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny to be imaginary are merely children who grew up and realized the truth and absurdity of the myths. The did not know this "to begin with" at all (unless they were lucky enough to have parents that didn't perpetuate the myth)

>Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are not by definition
>Eternal, Omniscient, and Unlimited in nature.

I just love the gibberish from ART(ist). He claims that our puny human intellect cannot possible even fathom this god (pint container...gallon of water) AND YET...as an appeal to authority he refers to a definition that has been created ONLY BY HUMANS.

ROFLAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

JB

PS (let's be clear...my attack on ART's intellect is not because of his belief in god -- only his intellectually challenged statements)

never though i'd say this but i kind of thought ART, GG and LS were having a somewhat civil and respectful debate....heck, im almost agreeing wiht Gordon on a lot of these points ...but now you come trolling in with nothing to offer but insults and aggressive attacks agianst ART.....