I take back my earlier post about Obama getting a clue. He is an idiot.

[achilles28]

^ Interesting.

Still, I think private education is the way to go. Let schools compete based on results and it would be a much better system. Superior educators get rewarded. Inferior educators get axed. A market-based solution returns incentives back to schools, making research and innovation into better practices a fruitful endeavor. I can't see how this is a bad thing. Relative to what we've got - sandbaggers and loafers flock to teachers college - it's lightyears ahead !

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from achilles28:

^ Interesting.

Still, I think private education is the way to go. Let schools compete based on results and it would be a much better system. Superior educators get rewarded. Inferior educators get axed. A market-based solution returns incentives back to educators, making research and innovation into better practices a fruitful endeavor. I can't see how this is a bad thing. Relative to what we've got - sandbaggers and loafers flock to teachers college - it's lightyears ahead !

Well what happens to a market with a limited supply when a product is subsidized?

 

[achilles28]

Quote from bigdavediode:

Well what happens to a market with a limited supply when a product is subsidized?

Price goes up. Similar to outlandish College tuition. But the post secondary market represents a ~fixed number of "established" institutions. Parents want their kids to attend recognized schools. It's hard for new colleges or universities to break into that market with a respected name.

For grade school, it's another ball game. Name recognition ~doesn't exist = no tight supply. With or without a voucher, incentives would proliferate quality supply making education a cheaper, more efficient service. Just my opinion. But why would a free market solution to education *not* work?

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from bigdavediode:

"Existing research supporting the relationship between student achievement and vouchers is extremely problematic...

Get the federal government OUT of education: problem solved (or most of it anyway).

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from achilles28:

Price goes up. Similar to outlandish College tuition. But the post secondary market represents a ~fixed number of "established" institutions. Parents want their kids to attend recognized schools. It's hard for new colleges or universities to break into that market with a respected name.

For grade school, it's another ball game. Name recognition ~doesn't exist = no tight supply. With or without a voucher, incentives would proliferate quality supply making education a cheaper, more efficient service. Just my opinion. But why would a free market solution to education *not* work?

Well, that's one possibility. From what little I've read Cleveland tried it and so far the private schools are charging 200% - 400% premiums to voucher students.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from Lucrum:

Get the federal government OUT of education: problem solved (or most of it anyway).

Unfortunately, many people believe that complex, regional problems can be solved by cliche's and simplistic talking points.

 

[nutmeg]

I am aware of a failing HS. Majority African American. The minority students (white, asian, gays, etc) for all practical purposes do not attend day classes (bullying, etc) the HS offers night classes.

In conclusion, those who want to learn are forced to attend night school to get HS diploma.

While we mainstrean the dysfunctional kids, the one who want an education get left overs and attend "special" classes.

Wow, is that messed up. It used to be the other way around.

 

[bearmountain]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Do any of you really think that obama or the education establishment gives a crap about kids?


Anyone with any experience knows the key to education results is involved parents. The amount of money spent per pupil has no statistical significance. In fact, there is likely a negative relationship because the most spending tends to occur in urban, unionized, low-performing districts. Calling out parents for their dysfunctional lives is considered bad form and racist, so we spend money instead. Good luck with that.

President Obama does care about Education. It is one of his hightest priorities. He constantly talks about parents, african american fathers to get more involved. DC school system long neglected is much better since President Obama took office. The number one problem is Teachers Union. Hopefully this new movie will bring about some positive change.

 

[bugscoe]

Quote from bearmountain:

President Obama does care about Education. It is one of his hightest priorities. He constantly talks about parents, african american fathers to get more involved. DC school system long neglected is much better since President Obama took office. The number one problem is Teachers Union. Hopefully this new movie will bring about some positive change.

Why did he end the voucher program?

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from bigdavediode:

Unfortunately, many people believe that <s>complex, regional</s> all problems can be solved by <s>cliche's and simplistic talking points</s> big government and mountains of wasted cash.

It is unfortunate, and part of the problem.