i really hope this isn't why we sleep :-/

[aphexcoil]

Quote from bobcathy1:

Gordon...
A full cycle of sleep is 45 minutes.
If you slept only that long, you are able to get up and function. Probably have to do it a few times in 24 hours. A doctor told me this. Guess he learned this when he was an intern.

When I was a teenager, I could go days without sleeping with no problem at all. My Mom has never grown out of this and she is 72. My dad is nearly 80 and he always slept a lot.....we all think he doe it to get away from my mom bugging him.

So the answer is 45 minutes.

Actually, normal sleep involves four distinct stages of sleep including REM. When we fall asleep we spend a majority of our time in the third level. This is the deepest level of sleep. REM sleep is considered level 4 in some textbooks but it is really a stage where we are very close to being awake. REM (Rapid Eye Movement), is also where our dreams take place.

This entire cycle gets repeated throughout the night with progressively longer periods spent in REM sleep. This is why you'll get a long of dreams the longer you sleep.

Also, if you wake up 2 hours before normal, do a crossword puzzle (or something other intellectually challenging) and then go back to sleep, you will have extremely vivid dreams and possibly OBE's.

 

[Gordon Gekko]

i found this post on the internet......lost the source, but...

I'll be trying an experiment next week. It's called polyphasic sleep. Basically every four hours, you sleep for 15 minutes or some variation on that. You can bring your sleep down to 2 hours a day or 22 waking hours.

To this, I say, Leonardo Da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson, and Buckminster Fuller used this *exact* technique. Other great minds likewise used polyphasic sleep less extremely to their advantage including Nikola Tesla, Thomas Edison, Napoleon, and Winston Churchhill.

 

[indahook]

This is a very interesting thread for me. I have been having sleep troubles since the age of 13. It takes me about an hour and a half just to get in a relaxed enough state to just fall asleep. At the ripe age of 31 I am fed up and seriously considering going to sleep therapy. Anybody else have these problems?

 

[traderkay]

stop the BS. info u give here is dangerous. Lack of sleep damages health and ultimately kills. its proven.

 

[Gordon Gekko]

Quote from traderkay:

stop the BS. info u give here is dangerous. Lack of sleep damages health and ultimately kills. its proven.

dude, who are you talking to?

i'm not suggesting anyone do anything. i'm just throwing out ideas. people will make their own choices. i'm not going to stop discussing this because you think it is bs.

the truth is, we do NOT totally understand sleep.

i really do believe there is something to the evolution/survival explanation. a bat sleeps over 80% of a day. there's no way it needs all that rest. a giraffe sleeps like less than 2 hours a day. why the big difference?!

if you're going to claim lack of sleep damages health and kills, come back here with links to facts/studies that show this. and not just ones that support your side.

 

[bobcathy1]

Quote from indahook:

This is a very interesting thread for me. I have been having sleep troubles since the age of 13. It takes me about an hour and a half just to get in a relaxed enough state to just fall asleep. At the ripe age of 31 I am fed up and seriously considering going to sleep therapy. Anybody else have these problems?

Yes, I had insomnia.

Have you tried a "sleep sound" machine? Sharper Image has an adjustable one. Another one is earplugs to cut out all distracting noise....I like Hearos that you can get at Wallgreens and find they work as well as a sleep sound and get rid of Bob's snoring to boot.

I also tried blackout shades on all the windows which helped. Or cover them with aluminum foil.

Tylenol PM helps sometimes.

You also might just try staying awake for 2-3 days to break the cycle. That helped me. Gets me so tired I can fall asleep standing up. Not recommended on days you have to drive or go to work.

 

[indahook]

Quote from bobcathy1:



Yes, I had insomnia.

Have you tried a "sleep sound" machine? Sharper Image has an adjustable one. Another one is earplugs to cut out all distracting noise....I like Hearos that you can get at Wallgreens and find they work as well as a sleep sound and get rid of Bob's snoring to boot.

I also tried blackout shades on all the windows which helped. Or cover them with aluminum foil.

Tylenol PM helps sometimes.

You also might just try staying awake for 2-3 days to break the cycle. That helped me. Gets me so tired I can fall asleep standing up. Not recommended on days you have to drive or go to work.

No kidding, huh? Those machines work? My problem is not so much insomnia....I can get to sleep eventually, just takes me forever. Sometimes I will stay awake for 20hours+ even on a weekday just to get to sleep immediately when I finally lay down.
The PM medicines are OK. I don`t take them often but once or twice I have had insomnia and taken three of them (I am a big person) and all I did was get groggy. Maybe yoga or medidation?

 

[indahook]

Quote from Gordon Gekko:


dude, who are you talking to?

i'm not suggesting anyone do anything. i'm just throwing out ideas. people will make their own choices. i'm not going to stop discussing this because you think it is bs.

the truth is, we do NOT totally understand sleep.

i really do believe there is something to the evolution/survival explanation. a bat sleeps over 80% of a day. there's no way it needs all that rest. a giraffe sleeps like less than 2 hours a day. why the big difference?!

if you're going to claim lack of sleep damages health and kills, come back here with links to facts/studies that show this. and not just ones that support your side.

Hey Gordon, Don`t let this guy get you upset. That`s what he does...comes into a thread with one line of criticism and no follow up. I posted in the "trading ego" thread telling the traders "good luck" and "I wished that I could participate" and he tells me "GO AWAY CLOWN"

 

[Gordon Gekko]

Quote from indahook:



Hey Gordon, Don`t let this guy get you upset. That`s what he does...comes into a thread with one line of criticism and no follow up. I posted in the "trading ego" thread telling the traders "good luck" and "I wished that I could participate" and he tells me "GO AWAY CLOWN"

your post made me laugh out loud.

it's ok, traderkay didn't get me upset. i have no problem at all with him disagreeing with me. i do think he should back up his claims with facts. and i also think there is nothing at all wrong with discussing sleep; i don't know why my posts bothered him. anyway, traderkay did me a favor a while ago that he did not have to do. he was very generous to me. i won't bash the guy.

 

[traderkay]

indahook what you alleged never happened. my "go away clown" was directed at mr market in the new thread started about his "chatroom" (the thread now seems to be deleted). now go search my posts and you will see that I never told you to go away and in fact i never addressed you. my suggestion that i was directing people to is actually a positive suggestion about how to improve the trading contest that's going on now. just search my posts. i expect an apology