I realized something................

Quote from JWKirkland:

There are several traders on this very board who do just that.

I am not sure we are talking about the same thing. what is your definition of capital structure arbitrage?
 
Quote from sle:



I am not sure we are talking about the same thing. what is your definition of capital structure arbitrage?

Trading convertible and high yield markets, conventional equity, and fixed-income arbitrage. Finding mis-valued securities that are in play. Identifying and trading convertible or debt securities with an asymmetric return profile...those that provide an equity level return in the positive case, but with limited expected risk of loss in the negative case.

What do you define it as?
 
Quote from JWKirkland:



Trading convertible and high yield markets, conventional equity, and fixed-income arbitrage. Finding mis-valued securities that are in play. Identifying and trading convertible or debt securities with an asymmetric return profile...those that provide an equity level return in the positive case, but with limited expected risk of loss in the negative case.

What do you define it as?

He probably defines it as entering the orders that are handed to him.
 
Quote from sle:

I can not imagine someone with 10K (as someone mentioned here) and a high school education, trading correlation swaps or callable range accruals, for example. Nor would one be able to do stat. arb or something complex like that. It is a totally different game - show me a non-institutional prop trader who does capital structure arbitrage.

If you think you have to be a genius to trade, you are wrong. One of our best traders who does capital structure arbitrage used to be a fireman.

He could probably teach you a few things. He would never take a quant job at some institution.

It would be a paycut.

Open your mind, dude! There are very successful people that come from all walks of life.
 
Quote from AMT4SWA:

Some of you need to go out and find a great twisty country road and just drive! Get away from the computer for awhile and enjoy yourself and relax. If you want to join me, I'm the one out on these beautiful west Austin hill country roads tearing it up like Mika Hakkinen! :D

I'm with you man - completely unshackled and independent with plenty of time to smell every rose. better than prop, bank or fund in my opinion. yeeha
 
Institutional trading floors are designed to be impressive. So, its no surprise that you were impressed. Fancy furnishings, the Ivy League diplomas, business suits etc.

They are designed to impress customers and potential customers they bring in - insurance companies from Indiana, Japanese exporters. If they didn't have customers to impress, their trading floors would probably look just like a prop trading floor.

Its a matter of do you want to pay for all that. In a prop org you are the customer - do you want to pay?
 
Quote from Pumpanddump:

I got lucky enought to meet, by chance, a VP at JP Morgan/Chase a few months back. I visited their trading floor on Park Avenue this afternoon.

After seeing that floor and also visiting and talking to prop traders in prop firms, I'm starting to see how full of BS some people are on here when they say they would rather go PROP instead of working for a firm directly like a JP or a big investment bank in theri trading departments.

My eyes were really opened today.

Soo oooo ...... Did they hire you ? How many hours you plan to work per week ? Did they give you an employment contract ? No ? Oh well, its ok because that impressive trading floor will more than make up for anything else. How long you plan to work there ? Did you ask the guys on the desk how long they have been there and what their career path plan is ? Oh, I see. Well, they are such nice guys I'm sure they will take you on and treat you really well. Vacation ? Perks ? Oh, I see. Everybody is afraid to take a vacation ? Yeah well that bonus will make up for it. Bonus ? Oh, I see. Yeah, they had a tough year and had to cut those. Well at least you get all the free coffee and soda you want. Oh, they cut staff food out of the budget. Well, that great commute downtown makes it all worth while right ?
 
Quote from JWKirkland:



One of our best traders who does capital structure arbitrage used to be a fireman.



I'm curious, what's your (or his) definition of Capital Structure Arb?

This is not a challenge. I'm sincerely interested to see if everyone is referring to the same thing.

Thanks,
Dr. Zhivodka
 
Quote from Dr. Zhivodka:




I'm curious, what's your (or his) definition of Capital Structure Arb?

This is not a challenge. I'm sincerely interested to see if everyone is referring to the same thing.

Thanks,
Dr. Zhivodka

Scroll back 8 posts...I posted my definition earlier.

No challenge taken.

If what I define as cap structure arb is not accurate, please correct me. I certainly am not a Ivy league graduate.



:D
 
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