I never saw volatility like this

Quote from Ivanovich:

Just because you didn't see or get the news doesn't mean there was none.

New York State Insurance regulators meeting with banks to discuss capital infusions in order to prevent downgrades to ratings.

You also have the whole Keath Ledger autopsy thing. Results were released at 3pm and deemed inconclusive. Sleeping pill pharmaceuticals led the rally...
 
Quote from samus:

Could not agree more... I tend to do the majority of my trading during the morning hours and find it a little easier (gaps and all), but the afternoons are brutal with the whipsaws... still making good profits, but I definitely have to work harder for them.

I enjoy the late afternoon and early Globex open. Almost like free money if you know how to do it.

Maria
 
I bought the last pull back to the PP at 1297. I just exited at 1343.
The funny thing is, it felt like I have been in this for a long time, yet I just got in a little over an hour ago. This is insane. lol
 
Quote from ByLoSellHi:

I mean, this is unreal.

From -295 earlier to +225 ???

In the spate of two hours????

On NO news?????


These markets are very volatile, but they still are not at the level during the late 90's-2002 time period. Back then there were stocks like sdli,brcm,pmcs that would have 30-70 point range evry day. I also agree with Austinp markets are harder to trade because of the algo bots.
 
Quote from austinp:


Never before have I seen so many +8pt pops followed by -12pt drops, all the way thru today and past few sessions.

Clearly the bots have changed this game dramatically.

The trades that go +5pts and back out at par continue to drive me nuts... short trip that it may be (laugh)


Austin, I agree the Vol is more chaotic now...

It would be interesting to have a new thread trying to discern what the majority of bots are doing at their choatic turning points... A high number of eyes watching and posting might come up with some interesting observations...

Its like a drunk monkey on meth...


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Quote from Optionspoet:

You also have the whole Keath Ledger autopsy thing. Results were released at 3pm and deemed inconclusive. Sleeping pill pharmaceuticals led the rally...

Brokeback Market?
 
"i would humbly disagree, VIX really only dropped in the 3pm hr"

VIX is not a measure of volatility

it's a measure of IMPLIED volatility.

it does not measure volatility qua volatility. it measures "risk premium", iow a forward looking view at how option traders are assessing FUTURE volatility via the price of OEX options.

for pete's sake.
 
<i>"It would be interesting to have a new thread trying to discern what the majority of bots are doing at their choatic turning points... A high number of eyes watching and posting might come up with some interesting observations..."</i>

I see a lot of program acceleration on breaks of 5-bar fractals. It looks to me like many of the programs are volatility breakouts based on x-number of bars backward in time as a core basis.

That said, all 5-bar fractals (pivots) naturally include 3-bars and most are 10-bar patterns, etc. some of the filters may be volume based, time of day based, trend = momentum but the overall premise right now seems to be measured breakouts on programs.

Many times these visible levels - trendlines break and it's an instant surge higher or lower respectively.
 
Quote from austinp:

July 2002

This time it's much tougher to trade, the whipsaws are brutal due to computerization. 2001 ~ 2002 was easier, tapes are more jagged now.

I agree. Today was a mentally exhausting day in which I over-traded but still had a decent day. My head is splitting.
 
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