I have identified the enemy,,,,

The Douglas book "Trading In The Zone" is NOT a good book to work on your mental aspect of trading contrary to popular belief.
I agree, but it seems to be so popular that I assumed it was just me. I'm curious what you think about Brett Steenbarger. I, personally, found all his books very insightful.
 
I'm curious what you think about Brett Steenbarger.
His books are interesting, but a little too clinical for me. He seems to focus on integration quite a bit. Ultimately, I find his books good reading, but the HOW is really missing for me. I also have his video "A Traders Guide To Self Discipline". Once again, good information, but lacking the HOW.
 
Awesome. Very few traders seem to be brave enough to take on the mental side of trading, which is the make or break aspect of long-term profitability and the most difficult part of trading to master. The Douglas book "Trading In The Zone" is NOT a good book to work on your mental aspect of trading contrary to popular belief.

It's a great book and written really well, however, he does not tell you HOW to change your mental side of trading, nor does his seminar. I assure you, thinking in probabilities does NOT stop emotions from highjacking your trading plan (right brain thinking/logical thinking).

The one book that stands far above all is "Mindful Trading: Mastering Your Emotions and The Inner Game" by Rande Howell. I highly suggest getting the workbook with it. You can find both on his website ( mytraderstateofmind (.com) ).

I've read countless books and have taken countless courses. Of course the go to as you mentioned, "Trading In The Zone" which is incredibly weak on actually teaching you HOW to work with your emotions (which are actually BIOLOGICAL first, mental second), of course the Van Tharpe stuff including his recorded seminars. Trader Mind by Steve Ward; Trade Mindfully by Gary Dayton and many more which I won't list.

Be patient because it will take you some time to work through stuff. At least two months before you start to see real results in your trading, but then it snowballs and within a few months you will see a HUGE positive difference in your trading results.

I promise you if you don't work through the mental stuff you'll be like a hamster on a wheel. Doing a lot of work but going nowhere fast and seeing absolutely no longterm positive results in your trading. No matter what technique you add to your trading, because you won't be able to trade it worth a darn because your emotions will high jack your trading, time and time again.
thank you .. I will get this book asap... I totally agree,,, the Mental Game is the last thing that is holding me back from trading successfully for an extended period.
 
thankyou I prefer audio and video to reading.. I get thru it faster

Unfortunately, this video is about what he covers in his book and course. Rande does videos fairly long videos all the time, but he doesn't go through the techniques on these videos.
 
thank you .. I will get this book asap... I totally agree,,, the Mental Game is the last thing that is holding me back from trading successfully for an extended period.

Like I said previously, give it some time. And be patient. If you already have good technical skills that give you an edge, then absolutely, the mental game is the last thing holding you back. I wish more traders talked about this side of trading. I really wish that trainers would really cover the mental aspect also.

I have yet to find any trainer out there who does more than just gloss over the mental side of trading., most barely even do that. It irritates me to be honest because if I realized that the mental part of trading was such a huge deal I would have worked on it years ago when I was learning the technical side of trading.
 
Like I said previously, give it some time. And be patient. If you already have good technical skills that give you an edge, then absolutely, the mental game is the last thing holding you back. I wish more traders talked about this side of trading. I really wish that trainers would really cover the mental aspect also.

I have yet to find any trainer out there who does more than just gloss over the mental side of trading., most barely even do that. It irritates me to be honest because if I realized that the mental part of trading was such a huge deal I would have worked on it years ago when I was learning the technical side of trading.

A lot of people (the majority?) struggle already to get over the technical part and never get so far that they encounter the mental side. So they have no clue what you are talking about.

I had problems with the mental side too, but at the same time it was a good thing as it forced me to heavily improve my trading. The better the performance the less pressure I had mentally.
Thanks to the mental problem I have now a good instead of a mediocre system. So the time was not really lost.
 
In order to make $ in trading you need the edge (long term investing is different) Simple as that. Everything else comes secondary.

I read most "mental" books out there. Did not help me one bit. People just fooling themselves thinking that if only they get in right state of mind chips will fall in places.

Edge/System is needed above everything else.
 
Edge/System is needed above everything else.
Yes, edge is needed but it's only a part of it. You also need to properly utilize the edge, imho. You will have times when your "system" works better and times when it doesn't. How do you properly press it in good times? What do you do in draw downs or slow times? I think the big difference between automated and manual traders is that manual traders have the ability to spot rare moments of fleeting opportunity where they can put the pedal to the metal and achieve outsize returns with controlled risk. You can't really program automated system to do that. You can decide to allocate more or less money to it, but it's a manual decision(I'm not talking marginal auto-adjustments as per your money management rules).
 
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