I feel like giving up!

Trading is not for everyone. There is no shame in this fact. I can assure you the successful traders here failed at other projects before they became successful in trading.
 
Trading is a zero-sum game. Thus the way to make money consistently is being better than the rest OR selling subscriptions to traders (which incidently is a business venture).

Without Elite losers no Elite Traders.
 
Quote from peilthetraveler:

90% of traders fail.
http://www.davemanuel.com/2008/03/12/the-top-seven-reasons-why-90-of-daytraders-fail/

90% of small businesses fail. http://www.whizbangtraining.com/why-90-of-small-businesses-fail

Seems like the odds are about the same. If you fail to plan, you plan to fail.

I've seen plenty of people lose $200k in a failed business. You need a good education to succeed in either (whether formal or self educated). Some traders get lucky as do some business owners and make money right away though. But you are no more likely to succeed in business than in trading.

businesses aren't a zero-sum game like poker or trading is. it adds value.
 
Quote from travelboysteve:

I replied next to each of your ideas,......with 3 ***'s

***You have control over your "system", you do NOT have control over local and global economic factors that do have a direct impact on your business.

Sorry, just had to chime in here:
My experience, (business), owner operator medium size contracting firm, 15 employees, sold business June 2010 after 20 years in business, 30 years in the trade.
Clients included, Coca-Cola, Neutrogena, Jack in the box, and quite a few other high profile names.
Doubters, email me, I'l direct you to website for further scrutiny.
What I wanted to say, was Trading IS a business, just like any other. No different. Everyone has a different emotional temperment for any type of business.
Not everyone is cut out to do construction for as long as I did.
I was not cut out to sit in an office environment.
Some people do not have the patience that is REQUIRED to venture into ANY profession.
We all need to find our "groove" and passion.
Unless you have sufficient start up capital, or take a loan, you are pissing up a wet rope.
It took me 10 years to build a client base that could carry my operating expenses to a point that it could pay me 6 figures a year.
ANY business will suffer set backs, mine went through 3 recession cycles over the years, and the last one diminished my annual volume by 70%.
Luckily, I was at the end of my career, and sold the business to the top guys in the firm for an amount that pays me a small salary each month.
I have spent the last 3 years learning the "electronic" side of trading, as I was a series 7 broker in my early 20's, (salesman), but that is where I found, and maintained a passion for the markets for over 20 years.
I have only been trading for real for 1 year, learning the last 3 and I am NOT profitable yet, nor do I make any bones about it.
I have an exit plan for the business, (maximum time and drawdown)
Do NOT be lured by the sway of the perception of easy money in ANY business venture.
My experience has taught me that, to work for myself, means I have to work 3 times harder than for anyone else.
it's NOT what we do 9-5 that gets us ahead, it's AFTER that, that will make the difference.
Sorry for the rant, but I would suggest looking to the more experienced traders here for help,......I'm not one of them.
I am still learning everyday.
One has to re-evaluate their business model all the time, whatever business you are in.
I am finally at the place where I know a little bit more than I did yesterday,.....which is to say, "never stop learning".
Find your passion, and stay with it,........money is secondary, fulfillment is everything.
My .02

Trading is not a true business. Its a zero-sum game like poker. You need losers to get winners. In businesses, that's not always the case, but it certainly is always the case in trading.
 
Quote from failed_trad3r:

Trading is not a true business. Its a zero-sum game like poker. You need losers to get winners. In businesses, that's not always the case, but it certainly is always the case in trading.

A commercial hedger might lose money on the deal with a speculator but he gets to fix his price in advance. That is something real that is value added above the zero sum nature of trading.
 
Quote from Roark:

Welcome to sanity. Trading may be a waste of time, but selling to traders is not. The key to gaining a foothold in the industry is to start a blog that initially provides trading advice for free. Once the blog becomes popular, go to a half-and-half subscription model, with promotional information being provided for free and useful information being accessible upon payment of a fee. For examples, see the Kirk Report, Stockbee, and the Motley Fool. Sneaky promoters start out calling their fees "donations".
Thanks for some good ideas. :cool:
 
Not everyone's trading experience is the same. It took a year for me to develop my strategy. I paper traded it for 5 months. I traded is for small money for 2 months. I now trade it for serious money. Including the 2 months of small money trading I average 10.6% month on month return.

I make my living trading and I love what I'm doing. It's not a job, it's a joy.
 
I know to some this is gonna sound pious and all righteous and all, and some are gonna think I'm full of shit, ... whatever... but success in trading has very little to do with technicals, etc. It has everything to do with mastering your inner emotions. Most people fail because they have not mastered self discipline and emotional control.

Use your technicals to develop your edge, but without a sharp, disciplined mind that is emotionally mature and stable... nothing will help. Success in trading starts from the inside out. In the long run, nothing else will work.

I can give two people a very clear and easy to understand edge to trading...

trader 1 is emotionally erratic, prone to highs and lows, doesn't follow his rules because his fear or greed drives his decisions, lets small losses turn to big losses because his emotions won't let him take a small loss, etc..

trader 2 follows his rules, trades with ice in his veins, doesn't let his emotions of fear and greed drive his decisions, realizes a small loss is the cost of doing business, etc...

Without a shadow of a doubt, trader 2 will succeed for obvious reasons.
 
Quote from samus:

I know to some this is gonna sound pious and all righteous and all, and some are gonna think I'm full of shit, ... whatever... but success in trading has very little to do with technicals, etc. It has everything to do with mastering your inner emotions. Most people fail because they have not mastered self discipline and emotional control.
Mastering self discipline and emotional control is easier if you recognize there are tools you can use to provide the necessary counterbalance. If you believe it is just making up your mind and doing it you are fighting a loosing battle.

I use two tools. The first is a trading journal. I am honest about any missteps. If I make an unforced error by being careless, I note it in my journal. I am able to resist making trades outside of my rules if I can't make a competent case in my journal. The journal has proved a remarkable counterbalance to emotional decisions.

To make it even harder on myself to do emotional trades, I make my journal public. Readers are quick to spot trades that do not fit my rules. I fear ridicule as a consequence of trades that are outside my rules going bad more than I crave the pleasure in indulging in a trade not within the rules.

Choose tools that work for you. But they must be more powerful than just wishing.
 
Quote from HowardCohodas:

Mastering self discipline and emotional control is easier if you recognize there are tools you can use to provide the necessary counterbalance. If you believe it is just making up your mind and doing it you are fighting a loosing battle.

I use two tools. The first is a trading journal. I am honest about any missteps. If I make an unforced error by being careless, I note it in my journal. I am able to resist making trades outside of my rules if I can't make a competent case in my journal. The journal has proved a remarkable counterbalance to emotional decisions.

To make it even harder on myself to do emotional trades, I make my journal public. Readers are quick to spot trades that do not fit my rules. I fear ridicule as a consequence of trades that are outside my rules going bad more than I crave the pleasure in indulging in a trade not within the rules.

Choose tools that work for you. But they must be more powerful than just wishing.

Mastering your emotions and discipline is a very personal journey and something thats different for everyone. I wouldn't even begin to tell someone how to develop their own, but for me it was thousands of hours in front of a screen and thousands in losses until it finally started to click. If I could point to one thing that turned me around... I learned to accept a loss. My ego finally got out of the way.

A lot of traders feel that getting stopped out is a loss. It really isn't... you've actually won. One sign of a successful trader is having small losses, not huge ones.
 
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