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Quote from jack hershey:SNIP
In trend monitoring and analysis (as opposed to trend following which does not work), a trader has a context for what he is doing. In a channel the first trend move begins in the old channel, then breaks out of the old channel and goes to the point that sets up the point 2 of the new channel.

When P1 and T1 are established the trend can continue. The trend has a defined range in the independent variable. I call this range 'A' BAND. This is a volume "context" for the trend.

In the independent variable this has a direct correspondence to a volume range established by the range of volume during that price traverse. T1 is measured mathematically relative to the assigned P1 that began the trend. T1 occurs as trend overlap ends. I put a box on the volume bar that sets the lower range limit. The box is T1. I note the volume in the log. This makes me keep aware of T1 and think about the trend as the trend moves forward in the market. Subsequently this range diminishes as the trend continues to move forward.

As point 3 of the channel is set, then the volume range is different. 'B' BAND has come into being. B band measures the second non-dominant leg of the trend. It is between P2 and T2P volume values.

'C' BAND comes after the blue ray for T2F is set. It is a band between the red and blue rays (a range between T2P and T2F). It is fairly narrow.

These values can be used to define how trends come to their natural ends.
This synopsis has been put together from a few posts about the Bands of volume - their definitions and illustrating the vertical way to view how a trend progresses. Thanks to Doaks and NCX for extracting this information and to Mr. Hershey for providing it.

Even with this information, I'm still not clear with regard to the EEs, Ba and Ca - the Band Passes.

1. Are these EEs noted when the 'B' BAND and 'C' BAND come into play?
2. Are they noted when a new bar is outside the range previously set as the high or low range for the trend, i.e. - surpassed the range set by the primary, the A BAND?

i've included an attachment provided in a different thread for reference purposes.
 

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Quote from river:

Those of us “doing channels” thank you for including comments relevant to an “old-school” iteration of your methodology.

The idea that all one needs is a single timeframe chart along with price and volume has been so ingrained in me that the only time I look at anything other than a 5 min chart is if I’ve been away from the market for a few days.

It’s been years since I recall you mentioning anything other than a 5 min chart for futures. Was this 30 min chart simply an aid yesterday for your current crew of learners, or, do you regularly use futures charts of time intervals other than 5 min for the ES?

-river

great Q.

The trading room tean is getting more and more context for their taking the full offer of the market.

I was asked "what is going on?. I said something significant happened re: Congress. We did not have Tv so we did not know a woman with a shild was being killed for some reason. But the location, at least, was deteminable.

This meant I had to turn to the daily catenary of volume. I let a team member chose a 30 min chart; the chose the ES degapped rollover symbol chart ES1 something.

this was slower by two fractals than the 5 minute chart.

Our problem was to solve the first rtl VE he had seen in the failsafe. Failsafe does not bother to draw the LTL, but calling reversals is an exacting science.

As traders get to doubling capital each week, then the details become important.

Casually drawing lines is BS and that practice is a CW oriented schema.

Step one was to point out that the catenary had been disrupted. We noticed our approach to doubling was greatly accelerated. For ES margin we double every 21 points of profit per contract. In a week week take the Monday BP and strive to double it. Nominally, we started with 12 contracts and look at a first down as making 12 more yards.

On Thursday we also had a techie in the arrange out screens with switch gear and amplifires. slowly we determined our CPU was outsmarting all possble arrangements so new equipment had to be bought today and I have to do my screens differently.

as seen on the 30 minute the ES catenary was screwed up on thursday. More opportunity was available than usual. My personal trading is in the lowest three digits for contracts. By the end of the full day I was approaching mid three digits. (kinda like brief compounding).

Step two was to explain the rules for handling a VE. I will be annotating a set of charts for this, this weekend.

As it turned out fannning came up too so we covered that.

The last training was about the FTT and FBO and NOT FBO.

The common theme among all parts was just how and when construction of price channels works in the dependent variable. Choosing pont 1 is NOT ARBITRARY. This is being done arbitrarily elsewhere. It is leading to continual sidelining and betting and hoping in that thread.

All of our trading precedes trade signals on the dependent variable because we use the independent variable.

My schedule for working here is off today. I had to go to Mayo this am. On the way I had to do my EMT, CERT stuff without my jump kit. So I have some stuff to deal with mentally. I did spend 20 minutes with the aid of four others (doing compressions) using anything peoiple had in their cars. A serious head injury requires a lot of schutspa to get through successfully and a helicopter lift worked out. I made the local news LOL ...

here in this thread we will join channels and SCT with failsafe to extract the full offer.

I can see I have to explain End Effects to a T. I shall and the seven sheets are going through an artist's touch to make usable trading room posters.

OOE's are how things work throughout the world.

there are five in markets. Blah balh blah.

the channels enclose the SCT trend segments. c turns show sentiment change within the 30 minute channel chart.

I have to get over some slight PTSD reoccurrance. i jwas in a car that saw the whole nine yards, so I am required to be a good s
Samaritan no matter what.
 
Quote from jack hershey:
I have to get over some slight PTSD reoccurrance. i jwas in a car that saw the whole nine yards, so I am required to be a good s Samaritan no matter what.

The world could use a few (billion) more good Samaritans, couldn't it? Sorry to hear of the PTSD recurrence. I'm familiar with how traumatic a serious head injury can be for all those touched by it, the sight or sound of a medical helicopter still sends shivers up my spine after all these years...

A few months ago you mentioned you were learning what "tired" really was--I hope that period has passed with positive results.

Do you have a Week 7 summary to share with us? It's informative to watch how your group of learners are progressing.

-river
 
Quote from smwbbe:

This synopsis has been put together from a few posts about the Bands of volume - their definitions and illustrating the vertical way to view how a trend progresses. Thanks to Doaks and NCX for extracting this information and to Mr. Hershey for providing it.

Even with this information, I'm still not clear with regard to the EEs, Ba and Ca - the Band Passes.

1. Are these EEs noted when the 'B' BAND and 'C' BAND come into play?
2. Are they noted when a new bar is outside the range previously set as the high or low range for the trend, i.e. - surpassed the range set by the primary, the A BAND?

i've included an attachment provided in a different thread for reference purposes.
 
Quote from smwbbe:

This synopsis has been put together from a few posts about the Bands of volume - their definitions and illustrating the vertical way to view how a trend progresses. Thanks to Doaks and NCX for extracting this information and to Mr. Hershey for providing it.

Even with this information, I'm still not clear with regard to the EEs, Ba and Ca - the Band Passes.

1. Are these EEs noted when the 'B' BAND and 'C' BAND come into play?
2. Are they noted when a new bar is outside the range previously set as the high or low range for the trend, i.e. - surpassed the range set by the primary, the A BAND?

i've included an attachment provided in a different thread for reference purposes.

I began this post and then began to write more.

Unfotunately a couple of hours work was lost because I exceeded the time limit for working on a post.

I have to learn to work outside of ET and just post attachments.
 
Quote from jack hershey:

I began this post and then began to write more.

Unfortunately a couple of hours work was lost because I exceeded the time limit for working on a post. 30 minutes they say as they delete all of my work automatically.

I have to learn to work outside of ET and just post attachments.

here is the short answer to your Q's.

If you see a name it is organized in some manner.

When you see an EE it is organised by band, then by a specific formulaeic differentiation.

Since you do not have or use a glossary approach you are handicapped.
 
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PP3 http://screencast.com/t/bOnaLR9d4M
Quote from jack hershey:
The "between" is a volume measure and NOT an event measure. (change axes to "read" between).
Thanks for the screenshots. It's so interesting when you finally "see" something. Even though JH had put the words out there, I didn't make the connection prior to seeing your post and rereading the explanation - THANKS!
 
Quote from jack hershey:SNIP
So I checked the Modrian Table for a possible 'c' turn (the purpose of the Modrian Table). N-1 was Ab AND N was a PP1. They are present so the turn is a 'c' turn in SET A.
I've been reviewing old posts and walking through trends and I was wondering if the Modrian Table is finalized or if it continues to be updated? I ask because it is noted above that for SET A (Green / Incomplete), that a n-1 event of Ab links to an n event of PP1. The version that I have (attached) only shows linkage of Ab to PP3, Ha and BM.

Have additional EEs been realized for other sets? One post indicated to add 'Fa' to MUSTARD and I think it is to be linked to BM,REV (based on EOD 7/15/2013 into 7/16/2013).

Thanks so much!
 

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Quote from smwbbe:SNIP
1. Are these EEs noted when the 'B' BAND and 'C' BAND come into play?
2. Are they noted when a new bar is outside the range previously set as the high or low range for the trend, i.e. - surpassed the range set by the primary, the A BAND?
Quote from jack hershey:SNIP
Use bandwidth theory to take the full offer of the market.

The 'A' BAND is the PRIMARY BAND on the trading fractal. This is an anchor like no other in any industry.
The 'B' BAND measures the second leg (non-dominant) of the trend and is shown as a zone between two volume values (P2 and T2P).
The 'C' BAND appears as a range between T2P and T2F.

Put a bar ending between T2P and T2F (this is named a C band Pass). It is actually an End Effect for a trend.
I apologize for not digging enough to find answers that have been specified in other threads. With the information in mind, the definition of Ba (Band Pass) is: A bar ending between the volume range of P2 and T2P.
 
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