I am getting my butt handed to me on a daily basis!

Here is an open rendition for today (30SEP13) where the failsafe is superimposed.

by adding the fail safe the trader is kept out of trouble. More reversals are involved as it turns out.

Please notice that more than one EE is possibloe on a turn. Use all combo's on the Modrian table to find a possible c turn.

I made the c turn boxes with medium borders.
 

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Quote from jack hershey:SNIP
Here is the open today (30SEP13)
There was a c turn on bar 76 so the sendiment became short.
Two turns followed; neither were c turns from the Modrian Table. Thus a trend type progression (OOE is happening). At bar 1 the trend type is Set C. (orange and dark blue panels.)
I've read about the different turns (a, b and c) and the different Trend Types on the Modrian Table (A, B, C and D), but they aren't clicking in my brain. Why was it a c turn on bar 76 on the 27th? Is it considered to be a c turn if you have the n-1 and n pair on the Modrian Table?
Quote from jack hershey:
Bar 1 is a P1 for sure on PRV. So the bar is an OB where part 1 is a P1 and the "next" is a T1. Two values create an earlier turn called PP4. Automatically on measurable bar 2 the P1 is assigned.
Do all PPx EEs create an automatic reversal?
Quote from jack hershey:
Modrian says "no" c turn so it is an a turn and the trend type becomes a Set D. This means we will be long for quite a while.
I wish I could make the connection between the lack of c turn (after being able to identify a c turn) to the trend type (in this case, D).
Quote from jack hershey:
"Read" the annotations on my chart.
Bar 4 is NOT a PP1.
Bar 7 is NOT a PP2.
I believe I'm reading my way down the Modrian Table in the Dark Blue portion and see that the first two n-1 EEs are PP1 and PP2. I believe you're saying that because the n-1 EE isn't there, the trend will continue. HOLD.
Also, your chart indicates no accel even though there are 3 P1s in a row. I have to admit that I would have assigned it incorrectly. (assuming that the 3 in a row trumped the Add'l Req section)
Quote from jack hershey:
Pay dirt on bar 8 where we are gong to assign a b turn automatically. Notice the P1 to T1's to P2 set up the A band EE sheet. bar 8< T1 in force means Ab LVBO.
Ab is an n-1 EE for the Dark Blue Panel. I'm not quite sure why it's pay dirt though.

Thank you for walking through each of those bars. If you could provide additional context for making some of the connections that seem so natural to you (turns, Trend Type, etc), that would help tremendously.
 
Quote from smwbbe:

I've read about the different turns (a, b and c) and the different Trend Types on the Modrian Table (A, B, C and D), but they aren't clicking in my brain. Why was it a c turn on bar 76 on the 27th?

The explanation is found on the chart annotations. you have that

Is it considered to be a c turn if you have the n-1 and n pair on the Modrian Table?

Yes this is the sole purpose of the Modrian table. I am in the process of explaining to FF how the table is used

Do all PPx EEs create an automatic reversal?

All EE's dictate a reversal. this is what is called taking the full offer of the market. Reread the week 6 report and the trading prints.

All trading approaches deal with making money to some extent. At some point traders advance beyond beginner where entry/exit, sidelining trading is done. as this mental shift occurs, being in the market all the time gets put on the table. to be in the market, you have to always be on the correct side of the market.

An exit is supposed to take the full profit segment. Simce this is a way of making money, it is logical that any proper exit turns into a reversal. If not, then the beginner goes to the sidelines and hopes to find another entry sometime that will work.

Such people have two sets of feelings: in the market and on the sidelines. we just have one set of feelings that correspond to the sideline feelings of CW beginners who do entry/exit.


I wish I could make the connection between the lack of c turn (after being able to identify a c turn) to the trend type (in this case, D).

Lay out your Modrian table as eight panels. there are four columns. From a c turn you use the left column. For an a turn after the c turn you use the Set B colum. For a b turn after and a turn after a c turn you use the SET C column. This is a normal three price move trend.

SET D on the right is the "drift" trend. Pairs of a to b turns occur in drift between the beginning and ending c turns.

All of this comes from the use of deductive logic. Mentally it is a good idea to work in this manner as a rule. Quants use induction instead. So they make a whopping 20% a year. the prints of week 6 show that 20% of 12 is 2.4 contracts in buying power. No trading day does as poorly as a year in quant thinking.

the use of the mind is a fun thing. Not thinking is the norm.

the Modrian Table is an exceptional tool. What is not explicit is very weighty and elegant. When you get the left column down, you will become very adroit (sorry, lol..)


I believe I'm reading my way down the Modrian Table in the Dark Blue portion and see that the first two n-1 EEs are PP1 and PP2. I believe you're saying that because the n-1 EE isn't there, the trend will continue. HOLD.

Ahhh yes. Very adroit. there is more....... keep thinking.


Also, your chart indicates no accel even though there are 3 P1s in a row. I have to admit that I would have assigned it incorrectly. (assuming that the 3 in a row trumped the Add'l Req section)

In trading, a thing called differentiation can be involved. For example some of the species have advanced to multiple TF's. WOW.

We go to triple AAA league thinking quite early. we see between and we se "NEXT". We even have WWT and WMCN.

Ab is an n-1 EE for the Dark Blue Panel. I'm not quite sure why it's pay dirt though.


Thank you for walking through each of those bars. If you could provide additional context for making some of the connections that seem so natural to you (turns, Trend Type, etc), that would help tremendously.

You are fully engaged in thinking. I support your learning. I nudge. All we need is 7 more days. Once you see the form of peices, then you begin to put them together.

Our language hase 21 letters. We make 35 words. there are four forms of sentences.

Go through Samuel F. B. Morse's trip of inventing the electromagnetic solution for transmitting information.

1. List the frequency of letter usage.

2. use two items to code: dot dash.

3. make a pyramid of quantity of dots and dashes.

4. work top down

give me an E give me a T

give me a bunch of twos: i, a , n, m

give me an SOS: dot dot dot/ dash, dash, dash/ dot dot dot.

giggle me an R: dot dash dot.

we have peaks and troughs. we have 10 cases of price.

Three days of reading the market doubles capital. Lets just get 5th through 8th graders doing this as a game.

By high school they can replace the legislative branch of goverment by putting Wall Street money to work instead of taxation.

Organic chemistry is just as much fun. Doctors hate learning organic. lol ....

bill gates really slipped it to IBM from a garage and swiping something from across town.

buffett is not varsity material. OPM is the slow way.







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Quote from jack hershey:SNIP
Here is the open today (30SEP13)
there was a c turn on bar 76 so the sentiment became short.
I'm still not understanding this c turn. With volume testing, you had the following (if I'm reading the chart annotations correctly):

70 -- P1
71 -- WAIT
72 -- T1
73 -- T1
74 -- P2
75 -- WAIT

The RTL goes from the bottom of 70 to the bottom of 71. 72 intersects it, but the close is above it. Bar 76 definitely crosses it and the chart notation is BO, T1 on one chart you uploaded earlier and a BM REV on a the chart where you added the failsafe.

From other things you've written, I was under the impression that once there was a P2, there could no longer be a T1 unless another P1 came along.
The BM REV makes more sense, but I'm trying to understand which annotation is correct.

Also, if a BookMark and/or RTL are violated and the EE is a BM REV or BO,T1, is that automatically considered a c turn?
 

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Quote from smwbbe:

I'm still not understanding this c turn. With volume testing, you had the following (if I'm reading the chart annotations correctly):

70 -- P1
71 -- WAIT
72 -- T1
73 -- T1
74 -- P2
75 -- WAIT

The RTL goes from the bottom of 70 to the bottom of 71. 72 intersects it, but the close is above it. Bar 76 definitely crosses it and the chart notation is BO, T1 on one chart you uploaded earlier

Yes for the above.


snip.....




From other things you've written, I was under the impression that once there was a P2, there could no longer be a T1

True


unless another P1 came along.

This is not part of anything. Delete this gate.


The BM REV makes more sense, but I'm trying to understand which annotation is correct.

Failsafe contains two elements. Bookmark goes way way back to create a wash trade in anything.

BO of rtl AND a T1 in force creates a small profit instead of the wash trade.


Also, if a BookMark and/or RTL are violated and the EE is a BM REV or BO,T1, is that automatically considered a c turn?

The rule is any turn can be on any EE. To find out the correct turn to assign to any EE, you first define the type set of the trend. this is a differentiation called a CONTEXT DEFFERENTIATION. Then you look in that column.

Then, you get an answer to one question: Is this turn a c turn? If true you have a c turn.

If false, you assign the NEXT turn in the turn OOE which is a, b c. If turn n-1 is a b and you do not have a c, then you have another a.

we had a c to a to c turn today. I commented on the use of arrows for that Set B type trend c turn.

Doing logic gets very simple as you repeat the use of logic.

Today had a big payoff.

As you see tiddlywinks is contributing 4 days profit per year, what will you be doing?

By tomorrow you will have the system down.

after that you gain facility. Having facility allows you to pend time thinking ahea to anticipate.

being able to know ahead of time allows the carving of turns. I use 10 to 12 indicators for this. By now you are aware of the n-1 to n. there is also an required n+1 duty.

Let me intoduce you to the WALLS of the DOM. Just look at the DOM and you will see smart mopney screwing up not understanding FIFO. This is a first deivative measure. Too many orders for the system leaves the last guys hanging in the wind. we use market orders at the wall and fast track getting partial fills.

the premium is set daily. If the price is on one side then a squeeze is happening. If the price is on the other side them a stech is happening. A simple bar chart shows either one in color. Smart money causes str and squ. The money is bigger than the money velocity so a distortion occurs relative to premium. We see the first derivative of this upcoming distortion. It is fun to see the big boys screwing up the market for our gain.

In two line M and A, thee are only six cases. Elsewher a person is using this to trade stocks PVT trading. He posts charts that show the leading signals of price in PVT. As you will see he is using the post PC settings for the original defaults which no longer work.

If you have stuff saved fronm the early days of Wikipedia, you can see the basis of resetting the two line indicator defaults. Today Wikpedia is all screwed up by CW thinking.

We will need to bear down on eeking the ticks out on turns. That is four days from now. You will have doubled your money before then.
 
Quote from jack hershey:SNIP
BO of RTL AND a T1 in force creates a small profit instead of the wash trade.
I think I may understand the BO, T1 but please confirm my understanding or correct me.

Even if you've gotten to a P2, a T1 occurred prior to that (OOE) so it's "in force"? If the RTL is broken out of at all (close inside or outside, inc or dec vol), that's the signal to reverse OR does it have to close outside the RTL?
Quote from jack hershey:
Failsafe contains two elements. Bookmark goes way way back to create a wash trade in anything.
Per previous instructions: A BookMark is placed when an EE has occurred. It is at the end of the bar that price is going away from. If you have an EE that is turning from "long" to "short", put the BM at the high of the bar. On the other hand, if you are at an EE that is going from "short" to "long", put the BM at the bottom of the bar.
So, if your BM is compromised by even one tick, the REV portion goes into play, correct?
 
jack hershey,

I have quiet a LOT of time on my hands during trading days.
And I would like to have a deep look at your method of trading.
Where should one start?

Thanks.
 
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