I am getting my butt handed to me on a daily basis!

[jem]

I only catch your threads by mistake.
If you are saying you were posting real time trades and they were profitable ...

post the link... I will be happy to read them.

If you proved to people you actual make money trading on a consistent basis I will be surprised.

Quote from jack hershey:

FYI

Before apps and before cellphones a set of videos were made. this 10 1 hour set was archived on WWW. Each tape is in the form of the big box like things that plug into a TV.

Still before apps the next set of videos that wre done were done using Camtasia in public. In parallel to that I made many many camtasia's of RTH's. These have been transcribed and illustrated. get them.

And finally ET has archived its chat room where this was repeated over more than a couple of years. You may be new and missed that. But you can review the transcripts if you take the trouble.

Recently I began a series of prints on trades. I started with just opening trades on consecutive days. Each trade was much longer than what you suggest. also each trade was called the day before to provide examples of carryover. get the calls and get the prints.

I like your suggestions but todays tech is not up to spped , i. e. the length of a trade.

One other thing dooms your request. I talk in a language of the system of the market's operation; to you it would be a foriegn language.

if I have a ten city tour soon, you can attend and bring your video camera. It recent places where I have participated; they have made videos tapes. my request to not have the back of my head appear was honored (as it was for several other welknown traders). those tapes are available by searching. You can hear me but you can't see me.

some of the recent global meetings may be available. again the participants did whole days of live trading and I was unable to appear for health reasons. These events involve a vetting so you would not be able to attend for two reasons: security and knowledge and skills.

finally, I did take some stills that correspond to some of the charts I posted here in this thread for the opening 30 bars. the pics show the screens, and the three 3 rings that contain the tables you mention. They are taken by an I pod. the i pod does record in real time as well.

The reason I do not ask others to do what you ask of me has to do with common trader security. If you ever meet a trader ask him why he would not do what you ask of me.

I commonly use GTM under another person's hosting. Often control is turned over to me. I wear earphones and a headset mike. In recent years, while writing code, it was common for us to use Skype, as well.

Bring up the prints I posted in the journal;to get a little idea of the difference between platform info, GTM, Skype and the apps you mention. As you see in the prints I am using a MAT system whereby I trade using limited POA's. Running 100K on a MAT system is what you will observe. Those I trade for sit and observe the trading as they wish. With the margin what it is you see I run at 94% so that is around 100 contracts. The prints, are pics like in th ET P&L. As you see by extrapolation my costs are about 4K a day or 88K a month.

 

[Pipflow]

Its very much needed for the traders to limit their daily losses so that they can save the capital money for more better trades.

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from jem:

I only catch your threads by mistake.
If you are saying you were posting real time trades and they were profitable ...

post the link... I will be happy to read them.

If you proved to people you actual make money trading on a consistent basis I will be surprised.

In that case you will probably miss this post.

I was making calls after the close for the next open and then I posted prints of the opening trade the following open. All of this was in an MAT account (One lead account and 9 linked-in accounts.) A friday, Monday and Tuesday were involved.

You have been here since 2001.

In three days of putting up prints I learned a lot.

One thing I learned was that most of ET does not understand how to get in on the open and ET'ers certainly mouth off about not being able to read prints.

If you are asking me to do something you could do yourself, then I can't be helpful enough to communicate to you. People can't really comunicate to each other when one of the persons is so weak


there is no way a person can prove anything to another person. Ask around to find this out. You have been here 12 years and have missed this or that. This is three times the four years of going to gollege to get a degree. so now you are older and accepting input from others has stopped working for you.

All you do is start thread about what is crossing you mind on a given day. you do not get anything anyone who responds to you says.

As you see your audience hasgrown very small.

there would be no consequence of you dong anything to see or understand my calls and their results. Like Pekelo, you can't provess the input that came to you.

 

[river]

Quote from jack hershey:

all tends begin with set A,

A failure to have SetA leads to possibly having set B.

A failure to have set B leads to the normal set C.

set C's become drifts known as set D's.

I'm still a little unclear on the Set B trends and I'm hoping you can clarify my understanding of these types of trends.

If we always reverse on "c" turns, is it the case that a Set B trend always has a bookmark violated during the "a" to "c" turn segment so that once we reach the second "c" and reverse we place ourselves on the right side of the market?

-river

 

[slacker]

Thank you Jack,

I have tried the search feature and cannot find a drawing that shows the A, B, C, D turns? Can someone post any drawings you are referring to?

Thank you again.

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from river:

I'm still a little unclear on the Set B trends and I'm hoping you can clarify my understanding of these types of trends.

If we always reverse on "c" turns, is it the case that a Set B trend always has a bookmark violated during the "a" to "c" turn segment so that once we reach the second "c" and reverse we place ourselves on the right side of the market?

-river

We already took a couple of laps on this in this thread.

Lets take another one.

there are two types of trends that are incomplete.

Look at a trend flowing along and developing.

Everything is normal and ordinary.

A trend is atarting as a tyoe Set A trend.

As usual an a turn happens on an EE from one of the bands. the modrian table was consullted and there was no n -1 value available on the yellow or green panel. this meant that no c turn coulc be available on the n turn. thus, it was certain that the EE was in a band and it was a Dom to non dom a turn.

Just understand that at this point you have an incomplete trend and it is going to continue to form.

An ensuing series of bars form volume sequential values that lead to a turn on an EE. EE the EE in in a band and the EE is established to be in one of the 10 sub sets of all EE's.

You expecte it to be a type turn that goes form a non dom to a dom.

as you keep records and gain facility, you begin to notice that this incomplete trend at this type of EE is not too usual AND there are failsafe or OutSide bars to consider. In fact you notice usually there is an OB happening.

From the graphic owrk you have done on price channels you see the is concerning the RTL arena.

At this time the market sentiment is shifting with respect to sentiment considerations AND the context is non dominant sentiment.

If in a non dominant context and this expressed sentiment suddenly, by a brief catalyst, shifts it nature with respect to sentiment, you are looking at a "nature" of sentiment shift.

This "natrue consideration is that the sentiment remains the SAME but its nature goes from non dominance to dominance.

so on the Modiran Table you "know about", you are now gaining more "insight" by processing what you sense, and where what I write can become long term memory to give you additional inference. this inference newly arrives, allows the modrian table to contain more "facets" than you "percieved" before.

So the Set B is on the incomplete side and this column is the column for consideration of the nature of a sentiment to shift from non dom to dom.

Thus Set B flows as c turn to dominant leg to an a turn to non dominant leg to the nondominant leg's nature shifting to dominant to c turn to begin a new trend that stepped out of an incomplete trend. This c turn is in the reversal context.

Admittedly, the time of the reversal leaves a little on the table, BUT to compensate, you alway are making the full offer of the market in a context of complete certainty.

In CW trading terms. I would say the Set B contributes quite a lot to the inefficiency of CW sets ups that hat "protective stops". There is nothing writtien so far in CW tht addresses the link between the context in markets and how context relates the the type of trend that is in operation. The nodoji CL chart points out the areas that are unavailable for making money. As a person peruses this example it becomes clear that adding trend types would be a powerful iterative refinement bridging towards taking the full offer after emerging from fewer positive expectency setup sets.

As people do deduction to fill in the differentiation spectrum of the mind, you can see it is like doing adjacent piano fingering scales the gain facility in seeing the properfingering of playing complex pieces.

Start with the hitch to do add/deletes to get other cases.

Start with set C to extend to set D drift. then go form set c to set B to set A to understande what causes incompleteness vis a vis human psychology.

Start with the P1 to T1 to P2 to see the variants of volume sequences

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from slacker:

Thank you Jack,

I have tried the search feature and cannot find a drawing that shows the A, B, C, D turns? Can someone post any drawings you are referring to?

Thank you again.

the Types of trends are Set A, B, C and D.

the knids of turns are a, b, and c.

to find both of these. Print and bunch the pages of this thread.

Leaf slowly while you read. you will find everything and it is printed in an order as well. you will have all the relational folow sheets to guide you.

you cannot find what you looked for because that "naming" is never used.

you will notice I put the Modrain table early in the thread. this made the pivotable information known as a goal to begin to seek.

you may have heard of the Motley Folls, liberal arts majors who are parasites to thers ignorance. they onlt wanted to make money as parasites.

Outsourse100 was playing the fool for a while. His P%L tank became empty so he whem to ergo zooming (no cogito)

 

[river]

Quote from jack hershey:

We already took a couple of laps on this in this thread.

Lets take another one.

Yes, we have taken a couple of laps around the Set B trends already. I appreciate your patience. Your detailed answer contains a lot of information on how Set B trends develop and evolve but I still, after a few readings, cannot tell if your answer to my question above is “yes” or “no”.

Allow me to ask the question as two separate questions.

Do we always reverse on “c” turns?

Do Set B trends (“c” to “a” to “c” turns) have a bookmark violated during the “a” to “c” segment?

Again, I appreciate your patience. Understanding Set B trends is important. (I don’t explicitly follow your RDBMS system, I don’t know a Mondrian table from a changing table, and this isn't meant to be a negative comment.) I’m trying to refine my use of “the geometry of the dependent variable” by understanding and incorporating the four types of trends you have been discussing in this thread. If I'm still unclear about Set B trends perhaps others are as well and we all might benefit from a more clear picture of these trends.

-river

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from river:

Yes, we have taken a couple of laps around the Set B trends already. I appreciate your patience. Your detailed answer contains a lot of information on how Set B trends develop and evolve but I still, after a few readings, cannot tell if your answer to my question above is “yes” or “no”.

Allow me to ask the question as two separate questions.

Do we always reverse on “c” turns?

Yes.

Do Set B trends (“c” to “a” to “c” turns) have a bookmark violated during the “a” to “c” segment?

Usually there is one or more of these three: BM, rtl, and something in the rotine related to an OB price bar.

Again, I appreciate your patience. Understanding Set B trends is important. (I don’t explicitly follow your RDBMS system, I don’t know a Mondrian table from a changing table, and this isn't meant to be a negative comment.) I’m trying to refine my use of “the geometry of the dependent variable” by understanding and incorporating the four types of trends you have been discussing in this thread. If I'm still unclear about Set B trends perhaps others are as well and we all might benefit from a more clear picture of these trends.

-river

I'll build that bridge for you. It will take a few days to do the merge of the implications for dependent variable analysis being tip[ped off by some triggers from volume.

 

[baro-san]

Quote from river:

Yes, we have taken a couple of laps around the Set B trends already. I appreciate your patience. Your detailed answer contains a lot of information on how Set B trends develop and evolve but I still, after a few readings, cannot tell if your answer to my question above is “yes” or “no”.

Allow me to ask the question as two separate questions.

Do we always reverse on “c” turns?

Do Set B trends (“c” to “a” to “c” turns) have a bookmark violated during the “a” to “c” segment?

Again, I appreciate your patience. Understanding Set B trends is important. (I don’t explicitly follow your RDBMS system, I don’t know a Mondrian table from a changing table, and this isn't meant to be a negative comment.) I’m trying to refine my use of “the geometry of the dependent variable” by understanding and incorporating the four types of trends you have been discussing in this thread. If I'm still unclear about Set B trends perhaps others are as well and we all might benefit from a more clear picture of these trends.

-river

Using "The Pattern", this is how I look at Set B trends:

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