I am getting my butt handed to me on a daily basis!

Quote from stock777:

many words. few make sense to mortals.

if so mighty and high, post simple.

realtime, no cheat, no edit, entry, exit, entry, exit.

make money? people will believe, talk circles and Prof. Corey speak, folk will mock rightly.

obfuscation-definition.jpg

He's a typical schizophrenic... :D

It's hilarious that people think this thread is for real!
 
Jered Said:
Mr Hershey,

I understand your post except I am still not fully understanding the sense of how you are suggesting that I "have lost much of (my) potential mental capacity"

Is it the thought that I am creating a subconscious imprint of failures in my mind which are near impossible to erase?

Jack Said:
trading failures are nothing to consider. your failure is very different than a trading episode that loses money. Losing money is just a small tiny thing of no significance. Building your mind with irrational myths is very damaging, however. They stay in your mind and become the recourse you cannot go to to succeed. You are creating a mess in your mind. Stop this mess creating
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It just clicked. I completely agree. I was misunderstanding, thinking that you meant I was learning failure habits (Which I think can be 'un-learned'). I now think you meant people learning all the dumb stuff that is slung around on here. It causes people to be closed minded. As they gradually absorb all of these false ideas, myths and strategies their brain begins to gradually close down to the proper and truly rational thoughts that lead to being a good trader. It is at least a bit analogous to the frog in the pan idea. As irrational thoughts are accepted as rational ones the brain closes itself to later accepting thoughts that are indeed rational.

-Thanks
 
Quote from jeredlbb:

I am new to trading, but I am not at the same time. I got my start in hedging for a grain elevator that I owned back in the mid 1990's.

In all I have traded off and on for 20 years. I have had big runs of success and failure. I have consistently traded commodities. Lately only the ES.

Recently I came to a place in my life where I had the opportunity to trade full time. In the past, mostly, I was trading around other things in my life.

My first day to trade as a full time trader was March 27th, 2013. I am down 82% from where I started.

I work 8-15 hours a day 5-7 days a week trying to figure out what my edge may be. I obviously have not found one yet.

My confidence is unshaken. But, maybe that is a bad thing...

My fear is that with all of my work, reading and such that I am still not making forward progress.

I guess I already know that you probably can't give me any concrete answers. And, I guess, I am not really asking for any. Hell, I don't even know what to ask for.

I learn as I go from the mistakes I make; or at least I try to learn. I clearly see all the ways I started wrong. But, am I truly closer to being profitable?

I guess reading some of the posts by Jack Hershey and others I realize how far I have yet to go. I wonder if my early successes have hurt me rather than helped me.

My "system" is a technical one based on price action and volume. No indicators. Well, I use ATR to help place stops. I generally try to find term trends and or play reversals.

I am not looking for sympathy, but I sure don't need more ass kicking...the market has provided me with plenty of that.
trade paper til you figure it out,tight rope walkers dont work without a net until they figure it out
 
OP - just curious if you have continued with ags/grains in your 20 yrs of trading? Seems like it would have been a good fit since you would have knowledge regarding crop info, how to interpret basis, etc.
 
Quote from jo0477:

OP - just curious if you have continued with ags/grains in your 20 yrs of trading? Seeks like it would have been a good fit since you would have knowledge regarding crop info, how to interpret basis, etc.

I was in ag/grains/cotton/cattle for 12 years. In 2002 I moved to new things. However, my family still has interests in farming operations.

I think I see where you are coming from. I think that was a part of my early success. I was in tune with the ag markets as a whole. I combined that with TA and great things happened. Most of my money was made in grains and cotton. But, I made a good bit in the S&P too. There was no mini when I traded before.

I think I am far enough removed from ag now that I don't have a finger on the pulse of the market as I used to.

That doesn't bother me though. I believe that TA is better than FA. I know, it is arguable by some. To me the price and volume tells where the market is headed. ie Price Action. That is the path I have been on for many months now; probably even since about 2002. (I have only added Volume into the mix recently) I think that is why Jack's ideas piqued my interest so heavily. 1. I really don't know what I am doing to a large degree, and 2. I like to keep my mind open to new ideas. From what I understand thus far Jack's ideas are around the idea of Price Action. Only more comprehensive; in a relational way I think. I can't wait to learn.

Thanks
 
Quote from frenchfry:

That's an old log. The one he used for his "old way" where the focus seemed to be on encapsulating price in channels.

Nowadays he is focusing on volume and his "RDBMS way". For this I can see two types of possible logs. One is for the "Volume category test procedure" and the other one where he logs the EE's and the a, b, c turns of the four different trend types.

Jack needs to define which columns he needs at this step.

Yes, thanks FF,

Right now I have:
Bar# | Form | Arrow | Volume | Event | Retro

I am not sure how right that is...
 
Quote from jeredlbb:

Yes, thanks FF,

Right now I have:
Bar# | Form | Arrow | Volume | Event | Retro

I am not sure how right that is...
Give it a try. Your bar #1 is relative to bar 81. Which formation do you get with bar 1? Try to fill everything for the next bars.
 
Quote from frenchfry:

Give it a try. Your bar #1 is relative to bar 81. Which formation do you get with bar 1? Try to fill everything for the next bars.

Are you talking about me doing it with today's market? Or one of the past charts?
 
Quote from frenchfry:

Give it a try. Your bar #1 is relative to bar 81. Which formation do you get with bar 1? Try to fill everything for the next bars.

I still have not been given the 11 Volume instances.
 
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