Hydroxycloroquine is Back

wrbtrader said:
@Pekelowill you self treat yourself with one of these therapeutics you're defending / supporting...which one ?
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I am not going to the doctor. Why would I? They usually just say, stay home and hydrate yourself. Gee, in the 21st century, thanks for nothing.

I am taking vit D/K2 right now and Zinc sometimes. I have both pills and lozenges. I like the taste of lozenges. The idea is not to be deficient in either by the time you get the virus. Plus I am getting plenty of sunshine too.

I have Quercetin and EGCG on the shelf. If I get the virus (or think I was exposed) I just start to take them with more Zinc. If I have symptoms I just go full tilt on them. Pretty simple really.

Right now NOBODY can give you a better treatment/prevention (without prescription), if there is one, let me know. And by the way I know of several doctors who take the exact same regiment. If this is good for them, it is good enough for me too. This regiment has been known for at least 4 months, as I had posted about it in the Health section.

 

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Pekelo said:
I am not going to the doctor. Why would I? They usually just say, stay home and hydrate yourself. Gee, in the 21st century, thanks for nothing.

I am taking vit D/K2 right now and Zinc sometimes. I have both pills and lozenges. I like the taste of lozenges. The idea is not to be deficient in either by the time you get the virus. Plus I am getting plenty of sunshine too.

I have Quercetin and EGCG on the shelf. If I get the virus (or think I was exposed) I just start to take them with more Zinc. If I have symptoms I just go full tilt on them. Pretty simple really.

Right now NOBODY can give you a better treatment/prevention, if there is one, let me know. And by the way I know of several doctors who take the exact same regiment. This regiment has been known for at least 2 months, as I had posted about it in the Health section.
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For what its worth...I've been taking Zinc, Vit D, ECGg supplement since college. The only time I didn't take it was when I was hospitalized in 2016 / pneumonia / coma but begin taking it again when my doctor OK it the summer of 2017.

I had begun taking them in college to help with inflammation in my left shoulder when I competed in crew (rowing) along with a healthy diet of strawberries daily during the rowing season to help remove lactic acid from my body after a strenuous workout to reduce the soreness in the muscles (thighs / shoulders) so that I can be ready for the next day's practice and/or body ready to go for the next race during crew (rowing) competition.

I'm also big on antioxidant rich foods.

I find it strange sometimes that a lot of people that don't compete in sports do not believe in the benefits of vitamin supplements. I was lucky to be somewhere that we had a team nutritionist that strongly believed in using vitamins but only after we had blood chemistry tests to determine where we were deficient.

Also, I remember the nutritionist assigned to me in the hospital, she put me on a similar like vitamin regiment when I was out of the coma but in quarantine when I couldn't keep down food (vomiting a lot). She went into private sector while I was still hospitalized.

Soon after my released from the hospital...I hired her as my nutritionist and for my son that's starting to compete in crew (rowing). We've been with her since 2017.

wrbtrader
 
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Pekelo said:
Trial link in post #97.

The advantage about Quercetin that it works against Covid in 2 ways. One is its ionophore effect. The other is that it has been proven itself alone a Zika virus killer, I forgot the medical way how it acts.

For reading up on Q.:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87373

From the comment section:

David Moskowitz MD

July 2, 2020

We published a dramatic case report in early May (http://www.scivisionpub.com/pdfs/quercetin-for-covid19-1196.pdf). 1 g twice a day cured my patient of severe chest pain and dyspnea within 24 hrs. I now use it preventively for all my patients, and take it myself (500 mg/day, not low dose). In 400 patient-months, I haven't seen a new case of COVID19, so I think it prevents as well as treats.
The literature suggests that the MRGPRX2 receptor on mast cells activates Fc-epsilon-RI in the absence of IgE, but I'm told the mechanism may be different. Clinically, though, I couldn't ask for more. Quercetin seems to remove symptoms promptly. I would urge clinicians to try it rather than dismissing it as hype. After all, it's not as if they have anything as cheap and safe to try.
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Thanks very much. I'll take a look at it.
 
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-positive-covid-day-crucial.html

So this is what modern medicine does:

"If this is the case, you'll also be given a strong anti-inflammatory medicine called dexamethasone. This is a widely used, low-cost drug that was recently found to reduce the risk of dying from COVID-19 (by 15% for people on oxygen and by about a third for people on a ventilator). However, for people who are not on oxygen, dexamethasone may increase the risk of death—probably because inflammation is not such a big factor at that stage of disease—and the side-effects of dexamethasone would outweigh any potential benefit to those patients."

Well, thank you, I will take my chances with Zinc and Quercetin.
 
virtusa said:
This is Fauci:
"Anthony Stephen Fauci is an American physician and immunologist who has served as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) since 1984. Since January 2020, he has been one of the lead members of the Trump administration's White House Coronavirus Task Force addressing the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States. Fauci is one of the world's leading experts on infectious diseases, and during the early stages of the pandemic The New Yorker and The New York Times described Fauci as one of the most trusted medical figures in the United States."

What's your education (if you have any)?

You are probably a Trump fan. As the saying goes, it takes one to know one.


PS: learning flipping burgers is not an education.
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I think of Fauci as a lobbiest. Check his track record.
 
Pekelo said:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-positive-covid-day-crucial.html

So this is what modern medicine does:

"If this is the case, you'll also be given a strong anti-inflammatory medicine called dexamethasone. This is a widely used, low-cost drug that was recently found to reduce the risk of dying from COVID-19 (by 15% for people on oxygen and by about a third for people on a ventilator). However, for people who are not on oxygen, dexamethasone may increase the risk of death—probably because inflammation is not such a big factor at that stage of disease—and the side-effects of dexamethasone would outweigh any potential benefit to those patients."

Well, thank you, I will take my chances with Zinc and Quercetin.
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You'd think there would be massive tests in progress to ascertain possible benefits of the natural supplements, vitamins and Hydroxychloroquine etc.

Setup groups of folks (a database in other words) with (+) and others with (-) tests already, and untested group. In a double blind have them take the various prospects as defensive measures. Get the statistics on helped vs not. A control group can take nothing. There should be plenty of candidates left here in the USA.
 
aWorkInProgress said:
I think of Fauci as a lobbiest. Check his track record.
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I am sure Trump is a lobbyist. He does not want the tests you propose. He gives billions to the pharmaceutical sector (and receive some commission back probably for himself, similar to the Tiktok story). Doing tests might endanger that profitable transaction.
Trump is a master in blackmailing other people, why doe he not use that skill to proof that Hydroxychloroquine works? Because it would cost him a huge commission.

There are also rumours that Trump did not want to test as he was guessing that in the Democratic states, which are poorer, there would be more deaths. That means less voters against him in the next elections.

Depending on what you suggest you can make any story that confirms your point of view.
 
volpri said:
You mean rigorously proven...like chemo...radiation...surgery...standard protocols for cancer treatment in the USA which translate into big bucks for medical profession and if those treatments don’t kill the cancer will. If the treatments kill you it often does so faster than the cancer would have...So much for scientific provens.......effectiveness and rigorous testings.. more like what will bring in the most $$$$.

hydro sure won’t so it has to be disproven by all means available.....and especially since your friend chumpie as you call him thought it might be a game changer.
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We really need to look into the popular use of "Science". Just like so many perversions of language in these times, this term is very often used where there is NO science.
Take computer models for example, Science? Only in the ad dept. noone asks about the junk driving the model - which can be anything from rumor or agenda to actual science. (Yes that's a ref to climate). I'm a science guy and much of what passes for it in the public eye is not.
 
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