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Hydroxycloroquine is Back
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Well, there is a big difference between topical, which has a somewhat better chance to align with in vitro studies, and intracellular, which requires getting past the cell membrane. I am aware that it is claimed the hydroxychloroquine is helpful in the latter regard.Nope, proven by at least 5 doctors who actually using it. Not to mention statistically significant studies. I already posted them, check my older posts and watch them. Other studies are underway too.(also posted earlier)
Your first and last sentences are contradicting each other.
I didn't make it clear, but the first sentence of my previous post refers to intracellular; the last to topical. It seems intracellular zinc has been relatively unexplored, as is the intracellular response of viruses to intracellular zinc.
The five doctors bit , by itself, means nothing of course. To be valid, these studies must control for many factors. As we know, time and death are the great healers. We humble humans don't want to take false credit for time's miracles; thus the need for carefully controlled, double blind studies.
It's a shame we don't have the time and money to go down every avenue.
I only recall studies back in may of in vitro which often don't replicate in-vivo. One of Pekelo's medcram videos referred to such study. I'm agnostic on the meds, just don't see why CDC/fauci would keep swatting it down (he's more up to date on the literature than I am) if they were in fact effective (inb4 big pharma).
I'd have to parse which studies have been shot down due to other meds being used in conjunction (such as steroids which have been proven effective). Could be that docs. are using alternative ionosphores w/o the nasty HCQ side effects
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Those are basically my thoughts as well.
We all want to get this over as soon as possible, and to that end whatever works is welcome. This sort of thing, a thing that knows no national or state boundaries and responds to population density (lack of distancing) and opportunity (infected plus lack of protection) demanded worldwide coordination and a uniform attack. But we lacked a unified attack. Now, instead, we are learning by mistake -- the least efficient way to learn. So we will lose more. We will take longer to come through.
The experts are already in agreement. Sadly, they have been reduced to sitting on the sidelines saying, "I told you so," and explaining why we are where we are.
Generally speaking, doctors are not great about supplements. In part it is their education, simply missing it, in other part it is lack of incentives. Big Supplement is just not pushy enough and there is no patent protection. (compared to Europe Big Supplement is still pretty strong in the USA) The result is that when a cheap supplement would do it, the doctor gives you prescription meds for 5 times the cost.
I am not impressed with Fauci. He was wrong on plenty of occasions, he willfully lied about the mask first (although I understand the reason) and he didn't achieve anything in the last 6-8 weeks. The country is just as bad of a shape in right now with or without him.
Nice guys he is, but incredibly ineffective. He could have left the government and started a Youtube channel giving out facts and advice, we would be better off. Governors and mayors could decide if they follow him speaking freely or Trump. Fauci never said anything about vit D, although now it is a proven fact that it provides protection up to a limit against serious illness.
Imagine if eventually it comes out that 3 fairly cheap supplements (Zinc, Quercetin, EGCG) for about 40 bucks a month can provide a very decent defense against initial infection? The whole Pharma industry would get a heart attack...
I just feel sorry for the frontline health workers. They could protect themselves for a dollar a day.
Sure. And the docs would prescribe nitroglycerin pills for everyone then.
Scrip scrip scrip!
Sometimes a bing things (yes, I am a binger), instead of googling just to see if I get different results. Anyhow, here is another study that is ending just about right now. In the next 2-3 weeks we should see results from these trials one way or other:
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04468139
Zinc, Quercetin, Bromelain, vit C study in Saudi Arabia. Interestingly most of these trials aren't done in the US... Non-Americans are more accepting of the supplements possibly positive effects.
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This was from April:
"Mahir Ozmen, a professor of surgery at the Istinye University, School of Medicine in Istanbul, Turkey, says he thinks the best way to use chloroquine is in combination with zinc and vitamins C and D. He is running a clinical trial, testing to see whether this combination protects health care workers and their immediate families – including his own.
Ozmen, who is collaborating with a chest medicine specialist, an intensive care physician, and two infectious disease experts, says he intended to include only 80 participants, but 98 quickly volunteered. He began providing prophylactic therapy 2 weeks ago, and expects to complete the trial by July."
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200409/chloroquine-zinc-tested-to-block-covid-infection
"Even if his approach doesn’t prevent infection with COVID-19, Ozmen says he hopes it will reduce the severity of the illness."
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04468139
Zinc, Quercetin, Bromelain, vit C study in Saudi Arabia. Interestingly most of these trials aren't done in the US... Non-Americans are more accepting of the supplements possibly positive effects.
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This was from April:
"Mahir Ozmen, a professor of surgery at the Istinye University, School of Medicine in Istanbul, Turkey, says he thinks the best way to use chloroquine is in combination with zinc and vitamins C and D. He is running a clinical trial, testing to see whether this combination protects health care workers and their immediate families – including his own.
Ozmen, who is collaborating with a chest medicine specialist, an intensive care physician, and two infectious disease experts, says he intended to include only 80 participants, but 98 quickly volunteered. He began providing prophylactic therapy 2 weeks ago, and expects to complete the trial by July."
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200409/chloroquine-zinc-tested-to-block-covid-infection
"Even if his approach doesn’t prevent infection with COVID-19, Ozmen says he hopes it will reduce the severity of the illness."
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All this supplement literature reads fairly fringe. I'm not satisfied by click bait headlines that just comb through an abstract. Surely we'll have peer review & repeatable results.
I'll agree that Fauci should've quit and gone rogue, but the dude doesn't strike me as the type that will go against the science if "it's there".
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You mean rigorously proven...like chemo...radiation...surgery...standard protocols for cancer treatment in the USA which translate into big bucks for medical profession and if those treatments don’t kill the cancer will. If the treatments kill you it often does so faster than the cancer would have...So much for scientific provens.......effectiveness and rigorous testings.. more like what will bring in the most $$$$.
hydro sure won’t so it has to be disproven by all means available.....and especially since your friend chumpie as you call him thought it might be a game changer.