Hydroxycloroquine is Back

bone said:
Employers, schools, and States will make a vaccine mandatory if it’s proven.

What people tell some pollster on the street and what people actually do in a time of medical crisis are two different things.
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Agree strongly.

I've talked often here about the fact that when I was a kid...all parents had to show the school administration a vaccination card for the children prior to being allowed enrollment into the school.

Unfortunately, the anti-vaccine community gets around that policy of mandatory vaccination via home-schooling. Yet, mandatory vaccinations at Employment is difficulty and has failed several times to be passed.

I think you'll need a more deadlier infection that kills 5 - 10x the numbers to get something like that mandated for employment. Until then, the courts will be heavily loaded with discrimination lawsuits by people being refused employment based upon their vaccinations.
Yet, some countries are fighting back against the anti-vaccine community.
In France, there were a few kids in my neighbourhood that I wouldn't allow my children to play with because those kids were not vaccinated for polio and diphtheria until my kids had been vaccinated. Their parents (corporate lawyers) were very outspoken against vaccines.

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Vaccine requirements have withstood many Court challenges in the US. There are some restricted religious exemptions but States have been aggressively limiting exemptions for the past decade or so - ever since there were local measles and whooping cough breakouts.

At present, if you want your kid to be able to participate in just about any group activity like sports or school or camp or band - you’re going to have to show immunization records.
 
wrbtrader said:
There's billions of dollars in therapeutics drugs and about 1/3 of the USA population and global population do not believe in vaccine...the anti-vaccine crowd exercising their rights.

Therapeutics is the lifeline of pharmaceutical companies. They prefer to create drugs first before creating a vaccine. In fact, its very rare to see a vaccine created before creating therapeutic drugs.

In the case of Covid-19...we now have therapeutic drugs and one of them recently approved for use here in Canada.

So much simpler / cheaper to just wear a face mask, wash hands and social distance.

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Yes which makes even less sense that they would discourage the approval of therapeutic drugs.
 
notafool said:
when these institutions publish studies you have to find out how they conducted the study. from my understanding they only gave the patients the hcq once they were severely infected by covid. i read about a very reputable doctor that says he treated over ONE THOUSAND HIGH RISK patients and gave them some kind of combo of hcq and zinc and had very good results. out of the 1000 patients he treated that already contracted covid only 5 ended up on respirators and only 2 or 3 died. which translated to a higher then 99 percent success rate on high risk patients that already contracted the illness. he says that the key to his success was mixing the hcq with zinc and maybe some other thing. and he gave them this drug BEFORE the illness hit them hard, not after.
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2 or 3 died? I would expect 100% accuracy in that datum.

Currently, based on the numbers below, the U.S. death rate among all testing positive is 3%. Keep in mind the considerable error in the positive test number because early antibody tests used in the U.S. had insufficient specificity for Covid-19 . This unreliable test data is intermingled in the total positive test numbers. The number of deaths is accurate, subject only to definitional error.

5,044,506 official positive tests versus 157 x 10^3 deaths.
 
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notafool said:
when these institutions publish studies you have to find out how they conducted the study. from my understanding they only gave the patients the hcq once they were severely infected by covid. i read about a very reputable doctor that says he treated over ONE THOUSAND HIGH RISK patients and gave them some kind of combo of hcq and zinc and had very good results. out of the 1000 patients he treated that already contracted covid only 5 ended up on respirators and only 2 or 3 died. which translated to a higher then 99 percent success rate on high risk patients that already contracted the illness. he says that the key to his success was mixing the hcq with zinc and maybe some other thing. and he gave them this drug BEFORE the illness hit them hard, not after.
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There are quite a few treatments being tested around the world. The NIH website lists all that have been reported to NIH along with the stage each test program is in. Missing from the list so far is apple cider vinegar, and radish juice with "testofen". I eagerly await the results from these therapies as well as the results from colonic cleansing using zinc. ;)
 
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wrbtrader said:
Agree strongly.

I've talked often here about the fact that when I was a kid...all parents had to show the school administration a vaccination card for the children prior to being allowed enrollment into the school.

Unfortunately, the anti-vaccine community gets around that policy of mandatory vaccination via home-schooling. Yet, mandatory vaccinations at Employment is difficulty and has failed several times to be passed.

I think you'll need a more deadlier infection that kills 5 - 10x the numbers to get something like that mandated for employment. Until then, the courts will be heavily loaded with discrimination lawsuits by people being refused employment based upon their vaccinations.
Yet, some countries are fighting back against the anti-vaccine community.
In France, there were a few kids in my neighbourhood that I wouldn't allow my children to play with because those kids were not vaccinated for polio and diphtheria until my kids had been vaccinated. Their parents (corporate lawyers) were very outspoken against vaccines.

wrbtrader
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Well that's a big risk. What if those cooperate lawyer kids contract mumps or chicken pox as adults? With everyone else being vaccinated the chances are less, but it could happen.
 
notafool said:
i forgot his name if i remember it i will post it. this doctor is Ukrainian so it is some funny sounding name. this doctor practices in new york. high up goverment officials from the usa and other countries are in constant contact with him.
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Dr. Vladimir Zelenko from New York announced that over 400 of his high-risk patients with the virus have recovered.
Dr. Zelenko treated the patients with 3-drug regimen of #hydroxychloroquine, #azithromycin, and #zinc. Two died, the rest recovered fully.
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1 in 3 US Adults already do - it’s a virus called Herpes Zoster or Shingles.

piezoe said:
Well that's a big risk. What if those cooperate lawyer kids contract mumps or chicken pox as adults? With everyone else being vaccinated the chances are less, but it could happen.
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piezoe said:
2 or 3 died? I would expect 100% accuracy in that datum.

Currently, based on the numbers below, the U.S. death rate among all testing positive is 3%. Keep in mind the considerable error in the positive test number because early antibody tests used in the U.S. had insufficient specificity for Covid-19 . This unreliable test data is intermingled in the total positive test numbers. The number of deaths is accurate, subject only to definitional error.

5,044,506 official positive tests versus 157 x 10^3 deaths.
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there are people that if you tell them a world is round they will still find a way to be cynical.
 
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LOL he cares for a large Orthodox Jewish population in Monsey, NY famous for being a closed community full of anti-vaxxers and the spot where a U.S. modern day Measles outbreak started, brought back from Israel a few years ago.

Ringing endorsement that is.
 
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