Hydroxychloroquine fails to prevent COVID-19 in rigorous study

Apologies for posting a copy of an old article about a study whose results were published yesterday.;)

News is moving fast these days and there's a lot more news than normal.

I guarantee others didn't know there were prior articles about it. :D

Yet, the new publish results are interesting because I saw somewhere here at ET by someone that stated there's "no published" results. Simply, for that person specifically...you're good. :sneaky:

wrbtrader
 
...Right now that is the best prevention/treatment combo what we have, yet they are hammering on him...

Wouldn't it be easier if he just frequently washes his hands, practice social distancing and wear a medical mask ?

Actually, I can't remember where I read it a few years ago...staffers say he's somewhat of a germophobe. If that's true, I then can understand the thing about him taking these preventive treatment but then again...

If true about him being a germophobe...why doesn't he wear medical masks, frequently washes his hands and practice social distancing especially considering he lockdown the U.S. and paying Americans trillions of dollars to stay home along with him increasing the U.S. national debt...

Decreasing the U.S. national debt was one of his campaign promises.

https://www.thebalance.com/trump-plans-to-reduce-national-debt-4114401

Something doesn't add up other then to consider the possibility that he has a personal financial gain about hydroxychloroquine that we do not know about.

I wasn't able to vote the last U.S. presidential election because I was in the hospital and just came out of a coma...

I can not wait to cast my vote against him this November. Too much chaos with him in office. In fact, was going to do absentee ballot from here in Québec, Canada but instead will fly back to the U.S. just to vote in November to ensure I'm heard.

wrbtrader
 
Last edited:
Wouldn't it be easier if he just frequently washes his hands, practice social distancing and wear a medical mask ?

Now we are getting into psychology and politics. He doesn't want to look weak, so he doesn't wear a mask. Whatever. That is not the point.

The scientific point is that by sheer luck or knowledge he actually has used the best medical defence available right now. (ionophore + Zinc) Yet everyone is quoting bad studies and crying about it.

Now he might have some business interest in that, but again, that is politics and economics, not science. (and have to give it to him, he picked the right drug if he owns some HCQ maker stocks)

If people don't like HCQ, they can use other ionophores that are cheap, safe and widely available as supplements (Quercetin, EGCG)
 
Now we are getting into psychology and politics. He doesn't want to look weak, so he doesn't wear a mask. Whatever. That is not the point.

The scientific point is that by sheer luck or knowledge he actually has used the best medical defence available right now. (ionophore + Zinc) Yet everyone is quoting bad studies and crying about it.

Now he might have some business interest in that, but again, that is politics and economics, not science. (and have to give it to him, he picked the right drug if he owns some HCQ maker stocks)

If people don't like HCQ, they can use other ionophores that are cheap, safe and widely available as supplements (Quercetin, EGCG)

Maybe true but I've only watched a news commentary from a former WH physician about the issue and a video of him getting asked a question by someone asking him about HQ in which he responded he had been taking it for 2 weeks under the care of the current WH physicians.

Not sure about what studies you're referring too but the most recent study seems legit as in so far it has not been debunked by other medical / health / research organizations.

Yeah, I have a strong interest in the economics and science considering so far...there's a connection between such within the WH itself...resulting in bringing in the politics.

Simply, I'm not going to disconnect the three (politics, economics, science) considering the WH is also not doing such...the reason why we're now in this lockdown mess. :D

Yet, the U.S. is not alone...other world economies did the same.

wrbtrader
 
I read on reddit from second hand that in the Philippines all the doctors are taking HCQ but they are not advertising it because of being afraid of shortage. They are not taking it because of Trump, but because they believe in it.

Furthermore:

" India recommends hydroxychloroquine for health care workers at risk of COVID-19. Bangladesh has a similar policy. " (Apr 8th)

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...ronavirus-infection-begin-health-care-workers

I don't think the Philippines needs to worry about a shortage considering India for several decades has been the king of producing the medicine for malaria (more of a health problem in India).

Philippines is listed at the below link as one of the countries that India is sending the medicine to.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...t-countries/articleshow/75186938.cms?from=mdr

I don't live in a poor country like that. Yet, I do understand other treatments are more expensive and/or not accessible in comparison to HCQ that the country already has mass storage of such at very inexpensive costs.

Simply, I can understand why they believe in it. :D

wrbtrader
 
Last edited:
This just in, the study I was referring to earlier:

https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/4/2...ine-retraction-lancet-surgisphere-speed-study

" The study is no longer considered reliable."

-------------------------------------

WHO will resume HCQ trials:


You should review the research studies out of India and others...HCQ works and others say it does not work. Yet, it is approved as a treatment for malaria.

Simply, choose which one you want.

I prefer to just continue washing my hands, social distancing, wearing medical masks and being careful about those I allow into my environment.

Let the scientist keep arguing about HCQ until a vaccine is developed or an approved government treatment for Covid-19...all of which aren't costly to the average consumer.

Yet, I'm not going to hold my breadth for such to happen anytime soon (as in this year).
  • Is there a reason why you're so concerned about HCQ ?
By the way, I don't closely follow the news about HCQ. Thus, I didn't know the WHO had paused (temporarily halted) its clinical trials on HCQ. Stuff like that usually leads to the wild wild west of trials being performed by others due to so much pressure to find a vaccine / approved treatment.

Just did a quick research. More info about the company @ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine

Like I stated...the wild wild west.

wrbtrader
 
Last edited:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-prevention-covid-19-study/
JUNE 4, 2020 / 6:45 AM / AP

A malaria drug President Donald Trump took to try to prevent COVID-19 proved ineffective for that in the first large, high-quality study to test it in people in close contact with someone with the disease.

Results published Wednesday by the New England Journal of Medicine show that hydroxychloroquine was no better than placebo pills at preventing illness from the coronavirus. The drug did not seem to cause serious harm, though — about 40% on it had side effects, mostly mild stomach problems.

"We were disappointed. We would have liked for this to work," said the study leader, Dr. David Boulware, an infectious disease specialist at the University of Minnesota. "But our objective was to answer the question and to conduct a high-quality study," because the evidence on the drug so far has been inconclusive, he said.


Hydroxychloroquine and a similar drug, chloroquine, have been the subject of much debate since Trump started promoting them in March. Hydroxychloroquine has long been used for malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, but no large studies have shown it or chloroquine to be safe or effective for much sicker patients with coronavirus, and some studies have suggested the drugs may do harm.

Mr. Trump took a two-week course of hydroxychloroquine, along with zinc and Vitamin D, after two staffers tested positive for COVID-19, and had no ill effects, according to results of his latest physical released by his doctor Wednesday.

Federal regulators have warned against hydroxychloroquine's use except in hospitals and formal studies because of the risk of side effects, especially heart rhythm problems.


Boulware's study involved 821 people in the United States and Canada living with someone diagnosed with COVID-19 or at high risk of getting it because of their job — doctors, nurses, ambulance workers who had significant exposure to a sick patient while not wearing full protective gear.

They were randomly assigned to get either the nutrient folate as a placebo or hydroxychloroquine for five days, starting within four days of their exposure. Neither they nor others involved in the research knew who was getting which pills.

After 14 days in the study, 12% on the drug developed COVID-19 symptoms versus 14% in the placebo group, but the difference is so small it could have occurred by chance, Boulware said.

"There's basically no effect. It does not prevent infection," he said of the drug. Even if it were to give some slim advantage, "we'd want a much larger effect" to justify its use and risk of side effects for preventing illness, he said.

Results were no different among a subgroup of participants who were taking zinc or vitamin C, which some people believe might help make hydroxychloroquine more effective or fight the coronavirus.

There are some big caveats: The study enrolled people through the Internet and social media, relying on them to report their own symptoms rather than having them tracked in a formal way by doctors. Participants were not all tested for the coronavirus but were diagnosed as COVID-19 cases based on symptoms in many cases. And not all took their medicines as directed.

The results "are more provocative than definitive," and the drug may yet have prevention benefits if tried sooner or in a different way, Dr. Myron Cohen of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill wrote in a commentary in the journal.

Others were glad to see a study that had a comparison group and good scientific methods after so many weaker reports on hydroxychloroquine.

"This fits with everything else we've seen so far which suggests that it's not beneficial," said Dr. Peter Bach, director of a health policy center at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in New York.

This study was in younger relatively healthy people, but the results "would make me very discouraged about trying to use this in older people" who are most vulnerable to serious illness from the coronavirus, Bach said. "If it does work, it doesn't work very well."

Dr. Dan Culver, a lung specialist at the Cleveland Clinic, said there's still a chance that giving the drug sooner than four days after someone's exposure to the virus may help prevent illness.

But the study "takes 'home run' off the table" as far as hopes for the drug, he said.

The study was mostly funded by David Baszucki, founder of Roblox, a California-based game software company, and other private donors and the Minnesota university.

Boulware also is leading a study testing hydroxychloroquine for treating COVID-19. The study is finished and results are being analyzed now.

On Tuesday, the journal Lancet posted an "expression of concern" about a study it published earlier this month of nearly 15,000 COVID-19 patients on the malaria drugs that tied their use to a higher risk of dying in the hospital or developing a heartbeat problem.

Scientists have raised serious questions about the database used for that study, and its authors have launched an independent audit.

That work had a big impact: the World Health Organization suspended use of hydroxychloroquine in a study it is leading, and French officials stopped the drug's use in hospitals. On Wednesday, the WHO said experts who reviewed safety information decided that its study could resume.
AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOH EH HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEH--- fake news
 
Back
Top