Quote from unretired:
Thank-you for your response.
I cannot blame you for your perspective at all.
In fact it is most reasonable and sensible and intelligent ...
if there is no God and if the Septuagint, dead sea Scrolls, Texus Receptus, Bible are not true or accurate.
Here however is the kicker. You could be dead wrong.
How thorough have you sought out in heart and research regarding these issues?
You seem very sensible and knowledgeable.
If these ancient texts are accurate and true, which continues to be proven on a regular basis as far as archeologically ...
then have you dug deeply into these issues for at least one year of heart felt time investment?
If you haven't ... if you have children and haven't bothered to know the truth regarding these issues ...
Then I am very sad for you ... I really don't mean that in any condescending way at all ...
It is just that opinions are cheap and fade in comparison to truth.
I very much fight believing in things that cannot be proven thoroughly to my satisfaction.
People could claim the very stance for me.
From there perspective ... I could be dead wrong.
Yet I have thousands very real miracle level experiences that cannot in any
way be explained except for divine intervention and supernatural expression.
These have been going on for well over 3 decades.
Of those experiences many were huge in their impact and noticeable and provable.
So I am fine with where my belief structures and faith are.
I have more proofs of import than most people I know.
It is funny ... if we believe science and Einstein ...
then there is as much space in molecules as there is space between planets.
This means that somehow at this moment ... my fingers that are typing ...
well, realistically there is mostly space versus solid sub atomic
sub quantum or quark substance in the keyboard and my fingers.
Sure ... I accept those theories ... they are reasonable and mostly provable.
These things are designed and held together by God Almighty.
Being this topic is economics ... then true accountability and accounting should be paramount.
Having thousands of years of a rich heritage with the oldest of world texts demonstrating unequivocal support ...
it seems one with such a heritage would investigate these things with utmost thoroughness.
I expect that most people believe in quantum and quark
logic with far less proof than I have for what I believe.
Amazing!
I agree with a lot of what you are saying. However, I think you are intertwining a few separate concepts.
I never said that I didn't believe in GOD. I don't believe in religious dogma, and I certainly don't have holy faith in individual people.
It is undeniable that there is a ton of wisdom, provable history, spiritual truth and even scientific proof in the Torah, as well as in other ancient texts.
So, let me make one more thing clear: it is MY understanding and interpretation of the Torah which partially justifies my stance AGAINST zionism. I would gladly read over your biblical support of zionism though.
From www.jewsnotzionists.org:
"Judaism is a religion. Judaism is not a race or a nationality. That was and still remains the consensus amongst the rabbis.
We were given the Holy Land by G-d in order to be able to study and practice the Torah without disturbance and to attain levels of holiness difficult to attain outside of the Holy Land. We abused the privilege and we were expelled. That is exactly what all Jews say in their prayers on every Jewish festival, "Umipnay chatoenu golinu mayartsaynu" - "Because of our sins we were expelled from our land".
We have been forsworn by G-d "not to enter the Holy Land as a body before the predestined time", "not to rebel against the nations", to be loyal citizens, not to do anything against the will of any nation or its honour, not to seek vengeance, discord, restitution or compensation; "not to leave exile ahead of time." On the contrary; we have to be humble and accept the yoke of exile. To violate the oaths would result in "your flesh will be made prey as the deer and the antelope in the forest," and the redemption will be delayed. "
Hmmm...the plot thickens.
Do recall that the early zionist were worldly people, not religious leaders. It really burns me that these people present themselves as the representatives of the world's Jewry. Infact even the name Israel is troubling to me. Is that not mere idoltry? Who are they to take the name we use to refer to the world's collective Jewish people? I think they have successfully brainwashed most Jews into equating Y'israel with Israel. It's pure horse hockey!
The zionist do not represent me, that is for sure.