Huckabee VS. Obama

[Hydroblunt]

Quote from Cache Landing:

Huckabee, but only by the narrowest of margins.

I don't buy half of what he says and I disagree with him on just as many issues as I disagree with Obama on, but there are a few key factors that sway me.

I don't get it, do you choose to be that stupid?

You practically realize that these candidates are lying to you just to get your vote. It's blatantly obvious that they are just paying lip service and are nothing more than frontmen.

I have yet to see one candidate talk about the fact that the country is dying economically, except for Ron Paul. In the debates, NONE of them will try to counter his fiscal argument. They avoid it completely, because they are not there to tackle real issues, just pay lip service and put on a show.

Huckabee is tolerable, but as you said, not trustworthy. If what he said is really what he was gonna do, I can see supporting him, but he is a liar, just another standard corrupt politician.

Just as Southpark put it, you're presented with a Giant Turd and a Douchebag. Why are you letting this happen to yourself to even consider supporting any of the CFR sponsored candidates?

 

[Hombre]

Quote from Cache Landing:

Huckabee, but only by the narrowest of margins.

I don't buy half of what he says and I disagree with him on just as many issues as I disagree with Obama on, but there are a few key factors that sway me.

1) Obama really has less experience than any candidate in the field. I'm amazed that people are even voting for him considering his resume. Don't get me wrong, the guy is articulate and the ideas he presents are fine. He is only two years into his senate term and has already spent more time campaigning than serving as senator. Not to mention the fact that senators already lack executive experience when compared to governors. Obama is only getting votes by default. America wants something different than what it currently has. He is the embodiment of non status quo.

2) I have zero confidence in his ability to serve as commander in chief. Let's be real. That is really the main duty of the president right now. I have no confidence in Obama's ability to handle the war appropriately.

3) I don't think that abortion should be outlawed, but partial birth abortion definitely should. There is absolutely no rational reason for supporting it. Anyone who sees one performed and says it isn't murder is in complete denial and is being incredibly stubborn. There might be one case in 1,000 or more where a choice needs to be made to either save the mother or the child in which case the mother's life might be chosen, but the exception should not be the rule. The fact that we have partial birth abortions in a country as "civilized" as this makes me sick.

Anyway, Obama voted against a ban on partial birth abortions.

4) I am very much against the idea of re-instituting high tax on cap gains and others. I support someone who says they are going to reduce governement spending, not raise taxes to balance the budget. Our problem is that we spend too much, not that we tax too little. Even now the average american pays around 40% of their earnings to tax of some kind. That is beyond ridiculous.

Personally I can't believe that anyone on these Trading boards is supporting higher capital gains taxes.

1) Agree

2)Doesn't matter how experienced or unexperienced the president is as a commander.
Politicians ALWAYS make much bigger mess out of war. Military is capable to execute war plan with maximum force and effectiveness, problem is with politicians pressuring military to do it inefficiently and sensitively. PR at its worst.
It is hard to believe but there were orders given to limit Iraqi army loses to a minimum, WTH ?

3) Basically agree with you on the partial birth abortion . problem is that in US there is no common sense. If you let the partial birth abortion be banned, the ban on all abortion will follow shortly. Unfortunate but true .

4) 40 % is very optimistic number .It is about 48 %

 

[Pa(b)st Prime]

Good post. You're absolutely right. No candidate other than Paul discusses dollar devaluation, inflation, globalization, trade or a plan to address the twin deficits. It's over. Has been for a while though......

Quote from Hydroblunt:

I don't get it, do you choose to be that stupid?

You practically realize that these candidates are lying to you just to get your vote. It's blatantly obvious that they are just paying lip service and are nothing more than frontmen.

I have yet to see one candidate talk about the fact that the country is dying economically, except for Ron Paul. In the debates, NONE of them will try to counter his fiscal argument. They avoid it completely, because they are not there to tackle real issues, just pay lip service and put on a show.

Huckabee is tolerable, but as you said, not trustworthy. If what he said is really what he was gonna do, I can see supporting him, but he is a liar, just another standard corrupt politician.

Just as Southpark put it, you're presented with a Giant Turd and a Douchebag. Why are you letting this happen to yourself to even consider supporting any of the CFR sponsored candidates?

 

[Cache Landing]

Quote from Hydroblunt:

I don't get it, do you choose to be that stupid?

You practically realize that these candidates are lying to you just to get your vote. It's blatantly obvious that they are just paying lip service and are nothing more than frontmen.

I have yet to see one candidate talk about the fact that the country is dying economically, except for Ron Paul. In the debates, NONE of them will try to counter his fiscal argument. They avoid it completely, because they are not there to tackle real issues, just pay lip service and put on a show.

Huckabee is tolerable, but as you said, not trustworthy. If what he said is really what he was gonna do, I can see supporting him, but he is a liar, just another standard corrupt politician.

Just as Southpark put it, you're presented with a Giant Turd and a Douchebag. Why are you letting this happen to yourself to even consider supporting any of the CFR sponsored candidates?

You don't need to be insulting in your knee-jerk reactions.

The post was regarding whether I would take Huckabee or Obama. Neither of them are in my top choice, but if I were to vote between the two, I would go with Huckabee as stated in my post. Ron Paul was never a consideration in that post. If you'd have read any of my other posts, you'd know that I like Ron Paul.

A specific third party candidate wasn't specified, so I didn't respond to that. The plain fact is that I don't get to choose who makes it to the generals, but I will vote regardless when the time comes. Even if I am voting on the lesser of two evils. I won't simply refrain from voting because my top choices didn't make it.

But in your post you've actually outlined the precise reason why RP won't even come close to winning. The sad truth is that the issues spouted by RP are not understood by the average voter. He is screaming in vain. The other candidates don't field his questions because to do so in a debate is pointless. That should not be confused with ignorance on their part. For example, Huckabee preaches "going out of business" for IRS just as RP does, but he doesn't scream about it during the debates. Why? He knows which issues are going to get the most voters. Which is better, RP not accomplishing anything toward the cause for decades, or a candidate with a similar stance actually doing what it takes to get elected thereby allowing him to try to make a difference?

 

[Cache Landing]

Quote from Hombre:

1) Agree

2)Doesn't matter how experienced or unexperienced the president is as a commander.
Politicians ALWAYS make much bigger mess out of war. Military is capable to execute war plan with maximum force and effectiveness, problem is with politicians pressuring military to do it inefficiently and sensitively. PR at its worst.
It is hard to believe but there were orders given to limit Iraqi army loses to a minimum, WTH ?

3) Basically agree with you on the partial birth abortion . problem is that in US there is no common sense. If you let the partial birth abortion be banned, the ban on all abortion will follow shortly. Unfortunate but true .

4) 40 % is very optimistic number .It is about 48 %

I agree with most of what you said, but just a comment on the abortion issue. Knowing what happens with a partial birth abortion makes me willing to take the risk you've outlined. I agree that a ban on partial-birth abortions will likely lead to a push toward a ban on all abortions, but the horrid nature of partial-birth abortions makes the future fight worth it.

It is my opinion that an enormous majority of Americans are against partial-birth abortons. Allowing them to continue soley on the fear of a future reversal of Roe v. Wade is incredibly flawed logic, IMO.

 

[Pa(b)st Prime]

Other than spearheading the fight to preserve legal partial birth abortions I can't think of another issue Obama was prominent fighting for in Illinois. Our fiscal situation was a mess when he entered the Illinois Senate and an even bigger mess when he left. (Democrat's have a 2-1 plurality in the Illinois legislature)

He's one of those guy's ALWAYS looking to move up. After 1 term in Springfield he was running for Congress. After getting wasted in that primary he was right back running for the U.S. Senate. After less than half his first Senate term looking to be Prez.

Never has one who's done so little been considered for so much.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:



Never has one who's done so little been considered for so much.

The fact that he is so appealing says something about the other candidates running.

 

[fhl]

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Other than spearheading the fight to preserve legal partial birth abortions I can't think of another issue Obama was prominent fighting for in Illinois. Our fiscal situation was a mess when he entered the Illinois Senate and an even bigger mess when he left. (Democrat's have a 2-1 plurality in the Illinois legislature)

He's one of those guy's ALWAYS looking to move up. After 1 term in Springfield he was running for Congress. After getting wasted in that primary he was right back running for the U.S. Senate. After less than half his first Senate term looking to be Prez.

Never has one who's done so little been considered for so much.

While in the Ill. legislature, he also voted to deny funds for medical care to infants that survive abortion and need medical attention. We'll save that little bit of information for the appropriate time.

 

[NanoTick]

Obama is the dotcoms of politics.

 

[Hombre]

Quote from Cache Landing:

It is my opinion that an enormous majority of Americans are against partial-birth abortons. Allowing them to continue soley on the fear of a future reversal of Roe v. Wade is incredibly flawed logic, IMO.

Not so flawed if you look at the history. It always starts with the right thing to do .