Huawei challenging the Constitutionality of US's ban on its products

[El OchoCinco]

Neither China nor the US has a legitimate claim to being a country governed by rule of law. Internationally, the US is far worse than China -- after all, the US has been illegally attacking other countries under false pretexts in blatant violation of international law & UN Charter, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians directly or indirectly while maiming / displacing millions.

Getting your news feed (i.e. propaganda) from CNN, Fox, ABC, CBS, NBC, the New York Times, the Washington Post, or the Wall Street Journal etc is a sure way to be brainwashed into fantasy land, believing that the US government is all good and the rest of the world is all bad.

That's how the Vietnam War, the Korean War, WWI & WWII got started, to name a few.

I remember how shocked everyone was when the U.S. bombed Pearl harbor.

 

[vanzandt]

I remember how shocked everyone was when the U.S. bombed Pearl harbor.

I thought the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

 

[GRULSTMRNN]

Well, let's be honest, that is the business model of every purely capitalist system and American products and services by large majority are part of that. Bank account services? Squeeze squeeze squeeze. Food? Give restaurants in the US tops 1 year before they start cutting down on quality and ingredients to squeeze out more profit margin. Mostly talking about services because so few products in the US are made domestically. But I also see a beautiful renessance in the US when it comes to quality product manufacturing. Quite a number of new companies that focus on high quality made in USA products are entering the map, especially in the outdoor and hunting and fishing market. Beautiful knives, rods, bows, then you have high quality firearms... But quality has a price. And the average American consumer is about USD 400 away from bankruptcy. Not a whole margin for error.

It is the devil of shareholder demands. To ever increase profit. You don't have that with family owned businesses such as smaller family owned companies in the US or Western Europe and in particular Germany. I would say on a grand scale Japan is the standout here where quality has been consistent over longer periods of time but even in Japan the Panasonic home appliance that previously was designed and made to last for decades now is designed to break after 3-5 years.

That I absolutely agree. Long-term quality and after-purchase support of China's products is a major concern. There are only a very few reputable brands of Chinese products that have stood up to the test of time. The majority are only good for dollar stores and at most Walmart. But that's how China makes money, coming out with products that's only good for short amount of time and then forcing you to have to buy it again and again for replacing it so it makes money on the high turnover of repeat sales volume. Lenovo/IBM went into crap after taken over by China because IBM machine is a relatively high-end PC concept that is high-quality build PC that's supposed to last 10+ years; that doesn't fit the Chinese business model where things are only supposed to last 6 months to max. 1 year. There is no money to be made that's why China has to f*** up the Lenovo/IBM machine for them to make money. There is one goal and one goal only in China's business model: Make $$$. Sustainability, ethics, environmental impact, long-term effects, that's all going to have to come later.

 

[ironchef]

Internationally, the US is far worse than China -- after all, the US has been illegally attacking other countries under false pretexts in blatant violation of international law & UN Charter, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians directly or indirectly while maiming / displacing millions.

That's how the Vietnam War, the Korean War, WWI & WWII got started, to name a few.

The US started WWI and WWII?

I won't argue your main theme because there are elements of truth in many cases, perhaps falsely believed the end justified the means. But I think some of your facts are incorrect.

I googled Vietnam and Korean Wars. The US didn't start those either. I don't know about the Vietnamese, if you ask the South Koreans, I would challenge you to find many that wish they are part of North Korea.

Best wishes to you.

 

[El OchoCinco]

You don't remember when the U.S. communist forces invaded Southern Vietnam?

 

[curiousGeorge8]

I remember how shocked everyone was when the U.S. bombed Pearl harbor.

The ET post of the year.

 

[themickey]

I thought the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

It's not often you're right, but you're wrong again.
Was Vietnam.

 

[Cuddles]

But it works can't you admit at least?

It does, I disagree on sacrificing our system of laws and destroying the confidence of our trading partners to do so.

You are just like Trump. You're never wrong and you lash out even when presented with incontrovertible evidence that challenges your bilious claims.

Make a better case if you expect to be taken seriously.

 

[Overnight]

The ET post of the year.

I concur.

 

[Overnight]

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Looks like a forum to teach World History is badly needed on ET here. LOL

JSOP, it must be a language barrier thing or something. Mr. 85 is being sarcastic. He knows what he is on about. Yer just not getting the humor of the sarcastic posts. Stop piddling with him.