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How would you fix the health care problem in the US?
- Thread starter Eliot Hosewater
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BTW, the FDA is a disaster.
How many people have died because they were denied the right to make the decision for themselves to take a possibly life saving drug because the nannies at the FDA didn't approve it yet?
My "favourite" is when the FDA denies terminal patients the right to make that decision because the drug "may be unsafe". Um...huh?
Plus, as Mavericks points out, the FDA is very susceptible to lobbies - as are all government organizations that have the power to make or break your company and thus have a lot of very valuable power for sale to the highest bidder.
Why do we want to empower them more again?
How many people have died because they were denied the right to make the decision for themselves to take a possibly life saving drug because the nannies at the FDA didn't approve it yet?
My "favourite" is when the FDA denies terminal patients the right to make that decision because the drug "may be unsafe". Um...huh?
Plus, as Mavericks points out, the FDA is very susceptible to lobbies - as are all government organizations that have the power to make or break your company and thus have a lot of very valuable power for sale to the highest bidder.
Why do we want to empower them more again?
to solve a problem and don't get sick while spending 100x less on health care the people *finally* need to eat quality food like:
- superfoods: goji berries - #1 food in chinese medicine for 5000 years!!! raw cacao (both super rich in antioxidants), maca, honey
- RAW fruits esp. apples, kiwi, bananas, coconuts, apricots (check Hunza people diet), mango, avocado, melon, strawberries
- RAW vegetables esp. carrots, celery, spinach, broccoli, cabbage
- RAW nuts and seeds
- two eggs /day for vitamin B12
thats it!!! simple, ha?
all of the above is VERY rich in what our bodies need: minerals, vitamins, aminoacids and enzymes
ZERO "energy drinks", no meat, no pills, no drugs, no alcohol (besides red wine from time to time), no viagra, no prozac, no cigarettes, no sugar cookies, donuts, milk, hamburgers, cheeseburgers, NO ASPARTAME, ideally zero anything that has a label on it.
but yeah, pharma industry wants to make huge $$$ on your health and your life and will do EVERYTHING to exploit - YOU!
- superfoods: goji berries - #1 food in chinese medicine for 5000 years!!! raw cacao (both super rich in antioxidants), maca, honey
- RAW fruits esp. apples, kiwi, bananas, coconuts, apricots (check Hunza people diet), mango, avocado, melon, strawberries
- RAW vegetables esp. carrots, celery, spinach, broccoli, cabbage
- RAW nuts and seeds
- two eggs /day for vitamin B12
thats it!!! simple, ha?
all of the above is VERY rich in what our bodies need: minerals, vitamins, aminoacids and enzymes
ZERO "energy drinks", no meat, no pills, no drugs, no alcohol (besides red wine from time to time), no viagra, no prozac, no cigarettes, no sugar cookies, donuts, milk, hamburgers, cheeseburgers, NO ASPARTAME, ideally zero anything that has a label on it.
but yeah, pharma industry wants to make huge $$$ on your health and your life and will do EVERYTHING to exploit - YOU!
Okay, lets look at it this way. There are only a so and so number of doctors in the US. The new health plan will not change this number. And a doctor can only see a limited number of patients per week, and currently most US doctors all already stretched to their limits.
The new plan will also not change the number of hospitals, labs directly. Although some increase in healthcare infrastructure will occur after some time when more patients are covered.
So basically what will happen is that to accommodate the new 40 million uninsured people, the consumers who already have private health insurance will have to compromise on their quality of care. There is just no other way at present to cover these millions of uninsured people.
End result:
People will no healthcare will get much needed relief.
People at the risk of losing their healthcare will also feel a lot better.
Quality of healthcare overall will decrease. eg number of doctor visits per illness will decrease.
People with very good health care plans at present will find their health cost increase, after the new plan, if they wish to keep the same plan with same everything. Cheaper plans will be affected to a lesser degree due to competition from the govt plan.
The new plan will also not change the number of hospitals, labs directly. Although some increase in healthcare infrastructure will occur after some time when more patients are covered.
So basically what will happen is that to accommodate the new 40 million uninsured people, the consumers who already have private health insurance will have to compromise on their quality of care. There is just no other way at present to cover these millions of uninsured people.
End result:
People will no healthcare will get much needed relief.
People at the risk of losing their healthcare will also feel a lot better.
Quality of healthcare overall will decrease. eg number of doctor visits per illness will decrease.
People with very good health care plans at present will find their health cost increase, after the new plan, if they wish to keep the same plan with same everything. Cheaper plans will be affected to a lesser degree due to competition from the govt plan.
Quote from village trader:
Cheaper plans will be affected to a lesser degree due to competition from the govt plan.
I agree with most of what you said but how can the government plan be considered "competition" when once it goes into effect NO NEW private policies can be written? Sure you can keep your CURRENT plan for now but don't dare change jobs or try to change insurance companies. This will eventually have everyone on the government plan.
Quote from village trader:
Okay, lets look at it this way. There are only a so and so number of doctors in the US. The new health plan will not change this number. And a doctor can only see a limited number of patients per week, and currently most US doctors all already stretched to their limits.
The new plan will also not change the number of hospitals, labs directly. Although some increase in healthcare infrastructure will occur after some time when more patients are covered.
So basically what will happen is that to accommodate the new 40 million uninsured people, the consumers who already have private health insurance will have to compromise on their quality of care. There is just no other way at present to cover these millions of uninsured people.
End result:
People will no healthcare will get much needed relief.
People at the risk of losing their healthcare will also feel a lot better.
Quality of healthcare overall will decrease. eg number of doctor visits per illness will decrease.
People with very good health care plans at present will find their health cost increase, after the new plan, if they wish to keep the same plan with same everything. Cheaper plans will be affected to a lesser degree due to competition from the govt plan.
Sort of.
There aren't 40 million uninsured, btw. There are only about 8-10 million who really just don't have access to insurance. The rest either can afford it but choose not to buy it, are illegal immigrants or qualify for SCHIP or medicaid but aren't enrolled (which begs the question - WHY?). I'm fine paying a small extra tax to provide them with vouchers to buy health insurance.
The number of doctors will remain the same initially, but will decline as the lower payments disincentivize students from studying medicine. This happened in Britain.
For those who didn't have any way to buy insurance this will give access, but they will pay with long wait times.
Care will decline over all, as you say.
But, so will medical innovation. What a lot of Americans don't realize is that things would be a lot worse in Europe were it not for the robust medical technology development in the United States. They use the technology, but don't produce 90% of it. So, plunging America into a worse system than Europe's will have an even worse effect on medicine worldwide.
Hopefully Asia will pick up the mantle.
Quote from Maverickz:
I agree with most of what you said but how can the government plan be considered "competition" when once it goes into effect NO NEW private policies can be written? Sure you can keep your CURRENT plan for now but don't dare change jobs or try to change insurance companies. This will eventually have everyone on the government plan.
Oh, it's even worse than that. If the plan you currently have has to so much as raise premiums to cover costs, that constitutes a change in plan and you have to switch to the government plan.
Quote from DT-waw:
to solve a problem and don't get sick while spending 100x less on health care the people *finally* need to eat quality food like:
- superfoods: goji berries - #1 food in chinese medicine for 5000 years!!! raw cacao (both super rich in antioxidants), maca, honey
- RAW fruits esp. apples, kiwi, bananas, coconuts, apricots (check Hunza people diet), mango, avocado, melon, strawberries
- RAW vegetables esp. carrots, celery, spinach, broccoli, cabbage
- RAW nuts and seeds
- two eggs /day for vitamin B12
thats it!!! simple, ha?
all of the above is VERY rich in what our bodies need: minerals, vitamins, aminoacids and enzymes
ZERO "energy drinks", no meat, no pills, no drugs, no alcohol (besides red wine from time to time), no viagra, no prozac, no cigarettes, no sugar cookies, donuts, milk, hamburgers, cheeseburgers, NO ASPARTAME, ideally zero anything that has a label on it.
but yeah, pharma industry wants to make huge $$$ on your health and your life and will do EVERYTHING to exploit - YOU!
Largely agree - the biggest health improvement American's can make.
Disagree on the eggs - way too much saturated fat. One egg every 1-2 weeks is better. Two a day will clog your arteries and kill your heart.
Half the benefit comes from replacing animal and all refined fats (oils) from the diet and replacing with nuts and seeds. Almonds, Walnuts, Sunflowerseeds, Flaxseed, Tofu, Salmon - best sources of necessary fat.
The other half of benefits come from increased caloric intake from high-nutrient Vegetables and Fruits. Currently I'm getting about ~35% of daily calories from veggies & fruits. More would be better ....