How will the Iran Nuke Deal play out in the future?

[Ricter]

I must concede, I believe an awful lot of proponents and opponents have not read the proposed treaty and are simply lining up behind their party. I'll take the position that if the American hard right hates it, and the Iranian hard right hates it, ceteris paribus it is probably the best deal possible. (They're not in cahoots, though, that's crazy talk.)


Anti-War Donors Pledge To Withhold $8.3 Million In Potential Donations From Schumer, Iran Deal Opponents
More than 17,000 MoveOn members have said they won't donate to anyone against the deal.

Jessica Schulberg Foreign Affairs Reporter, The Huffington Post

"WASHINGTON -- Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) preserved support from his hawkish pro-Israel base with his promise to vote down the Iran nuclear deal on Thursday night -- but will now have to answer to a group of anti-war liberal advocacy organizations who claim that Schumer’s opposition to the diplomatic accord with Iran renders him unfit for the role of the party’s leader in the Senate.

"In less than 24 hours since Schumer’s announcement, 17,636 members of MoveOn, a progressive advocacy group, have committed to withhold $8.3 million they would have contributed to Schumer and other Democrats who oppose the Iran deal, the group told The Huffington Post on Friday.

"MoveOn and a coalition of Iran deal supporters are arranging town halls throughout the country during the August congressional recess, urging constituents to pressure their lawmakers to support the nuclear accord with Iran. “We thought Schumer and the Democratic party had learned this lesson a decade ago after the war of choice in Iraq,” Nick Berning, MoveOn’s communications director, said. “We want to demonstrate to those who haven’t made their decision yet that there will be substantial political consequences for those who want to take us to war.”

"The National Iranian American Council, another group involved in the coordinated pro-deal lobbying effort, slammed Schumer as more averse to diplomacy with Iran than former president George W. Bush, who refused to negotiate with the Islamic Republic unless it agreed to surrender its entire nuclear enrichment program.

“He states that he is opposing the deal because Iran will retain 'its nuclear and non-nuclear power.' These demands make the Bush Administration's aversions to negotiations seem pragmatic in comparison,” Jamal Abadi, NIAC’s policy director, wrote in a statement on Friday. “In what negotiated outcome would Iran have relinquished not just its nuclear power, but its non-nuclear power?”

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[wildchild]

(They're not in cahoots, though, that's crazy talk.)

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Crazy talk by your leader, who you support.

 

[Max E.]

Basically what your saying is that every president before Obama has been wrong on Iran. Given Obama's incompetence in every single other foreign policy issue, im going to have to go with all the people who came before him. Your also saying that Israel doesnt seem to know whats best for them, So basically your position is that all the foreign policy wonks before obama, and the country closest to the scene are wrong, and intellectual light weight obama, who once touted Yemen as a great success, is right.​

I must concede, I believe an awful lot of proponents and opponents have not read the proposed treaty and are simply lining up behind their party. I'll take the position that if the American hard right hates it, and the Iranian hard right hates it, ceteris paribus it is probably the best deal possible. (They're not in cahoots, though, that's crazy talk.)

 

[Ricter]

Basically what your saying is that every president before Obama has been wrong on Iran. Given Obama's incompetence in every single other foreign policy issue, im going to have to go with all the people who came before him. Your also saying that Israel doesnt seem to know whats best for them, So basically your position is that all the foreign policy wonks before obama, and the country closest to the scene are wrong, and intellectual light weight obama, who once touted Yemen as a great success, is right.​

Israel is divided, too, everyone against Bibi. The rest is your ODS.

 

[Ricter]

Crazy talk by your leader, who you support.

He doesn't have to be perfect, he only has to be better than you.

 

[gwb-trading]

The experts assess the Iran agreement of 2015
http://thebulletin.org/experts-assess-iran-agreement-20158507

 

[Max E.]

Israel is divided, too, everyone against Bibi. The rest is your ODS.

LOL, really? The number of Israelis who believe this will lead to peace is roughly the same as the number of americans who think the moon landing was staged, or that Obama is from Kenya. 10% of :Israelis believe this will stop iran from getting a nuke.

Poll: 74% of Israelis say deal won't stop nuclear Iran



The first poll taken in Israel following the Iranian nuclear deal found that 74 percent of Israelis do not believe it will prevent the Islamic Republic from obtaining nuclear weapons, 10% think it will and 16% do not know, according to the survey taken Wednesday by the Sarid Institute for Channel 10.

The poll, of a statistical sample of Israelis, found that 69% are against the deal, 10% are in favor and 21% do not know. One-third of respondents said Israel should attack Iran in the wake of the deal, 40% said they were against an Israeli strike and 28% do not know.

Channel 10 did not provide the sample size or margin of error.

Asked whether Israel should lobby Congress against the deal, 59% said yes, 23% no, and 18% do not know.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Zionist Union head Isaac Herzog and Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid have all said they intended to speak to congressmen to try persuade them to vote against the deal.

Regarding whether Netanyahu’s approach to preventing a nuclear Iran has been correct, 37% said he had made mistakes, 34% said his approach has been right and 29% said they did not know.

Herzog and Lapid have taken opposite strategies on whether to blame Netanyahu for the failure to prevent a nuclear deal with Iran.

While Lapid has attacked him vigorously, Herzog emerged from a meeting with the prime minister late Tuesday committed to working together with him in an effort to stop the deal from being implemented.

That behavior from Herzog led to speculation that the Zionist Union could be on the way to the coalition.

Meretz leader Zehava Gal- On said she was sure Herzog would enter the government soon, using Iran as an excuse.

Both Labor and Likud officials said there was no truth to reports that a unity government was in the works.

But Netanyahu increased speculation about that possibility in the Knesset plenum Wednesday when he repeatedly referred to the need for the opposition and coalition to work together in opposing the Iran deal.

He called for unity between “the students of Ben-Gurion and the students of Jabotinsky,” saying “the people expect it.”

Herzog said in his speech at the Knesset that national security is not a matter of opposition and coalition.

“When it comes to Israel’s security, I and the camp behind me will stand for Israel’s defense with all our might, despite our disputes about the prime minister’s decisions and behavior,” he said.

“We have to deal with the results of the agreement as a national and security challenge that we all share in the short term and in the future,” he said, but then, deflating the hopes of anyone who wanted a national unity government, added: “We can do that from the opposition too.”

Herzog continued his speech with criticism of the coalition, saying that Jabotinsky – the Likud ideological forebear and the topic of the plenum session in which he spoke – would not approve of “inappropriate, condescending comments said publicly against other population groups, including by members of this House and his own party.”

“I suspect that if Jabotinsky were alive today, he would find himself fighting [Likud MKs] bitterly over the spirit of a Jewish and democratic state, as he saw in his vision,” the opposition leader added.

Knesset Speaker Yuli Edelstein focused on Iran and less on the political situation in his remarks, saying that the agreement between the world powers and Tehran “is a dangerous illusion, not only for Israel, but for world peace.”

“Ten years ago, many warned that the expulsion from Gush Katif [in Gaza] will not bring quiet, but missiles shot at Israel,” he said.

“Today, we must warn that the agreement signed yesterday with Iran will not bring quiet, but missiles shot at Israel... I am still full of hope that this time we are mistaken.”

Meanwhile, Channel 2 reported that Lapid had hired an American branding expert, Adam Hanft, to help craft the Yesh Atid leader’s image as a future prime minister.

Hanft worked for US President Barack Obama’s successful campaign in 2008.

 

[Ricter]

LOL, really? .

World
29 U.S. Scientists Praise Iran Nuclear Deal in Letter to Obama

By WILLIAM J. BROAD
AUG. 8, 2015

"Twenty-nine of the nation’s top scientists — including Nobel laureates, veteran makers of nuclear arms and former White House science advisers — wrote to President Obama on Saturday to praise the Iran deal, calling it innovative and stringent.

"The letter, from some of the world’s most knowledgeable experts in the fields of nuclear weapons and arms control, arrives as Mr. Obama is lobbying Congress, the American public and the nation’s allies to support the agreement."

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[Max E.]

LOL, if this article isnt a parody, they are doing a damn good job trying, the overwhelming majority of republicans, half of the dems, every president before obama, and israel all oppose obama's shitty deal, but 29 SCIENTISTS AGREE WITH HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!


hahahahahahaha wonder how hard NYT had to dig to find those 29, funny how the number is so limited they couldnt even round it off to an even number like 30.

World
29 U.S. Scientists Praise Iran Nuclear Deal in Letter to Obama

By WILLIAM J. BROAD
AUG. 8, 2015

"Twenty-nine of the nation’s top scientists — including Nobel laureates, veteran makers of nuclear arms and former White House science advisers — wrote to President Obama on Saturday to praise the Iran deal, calling it innovative and stringent.

"The letter, from some of the world’s most knowledgeable experts in the fields of nuclear weapons and arms control, arrives as Mr. Obama is lobbying Congress, the American public and the nation’s allies to support the agreement."

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[Ricter]

LOL, if this article isnt a parody, .

Uhh huh, sure, you betcha.