How to trade like a retarded genius - an actual strategy that works

This is so helpful

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Who cares where Bitcoin is going. Who cares where the ES and SPX are going.

If a trader truly wants to make money and become a millionaire in the market...they need to be able to day trade the S&P, options on that intraday direction movement.

That's it. This is basically the only, real, game in town. Learn this skill, Observe this skill, Trade this skill and Understanding.
Do this day in, Day out.
thats so much BS.
Really, I'm not interested in a pissing contest here but betting on intraday direction in the most competitive market with the most crossflows you can find in any market is definitely the road to ruin for retail.

Pick a niche market that nobody cares about, learn it inside out including fundamentals, supply chains, trade financing and macro factors and become a master of that market. Once your home turf gets out of line you will most likely be the first to notice and you will be able to position yourself properly before the headline hunters chime in. You liquidate into them for a profit, rinse, repeat.

That's what the big boys do in the big markets, that's what I'm doing to make a living and that's what basically every profitable trader I know does. Table selection is extremely important in this game and so is specializing. Don't go where the competition is, go where you are the competition.

There were a couple of threads by @s0mmi which are absolute gold in my opinion. He doesn't post much anymore since I think he wandered off into crypto land (which is completely understandable).

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...make-over-1-million-a-year-at-my-firm.280041/

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/its-been-3-years-and-im-back.302474/page-2

He specialized in ozzie STIRS and knew that market like the back of his hand. Read those threads over and over again and you will realize how much work it takes to become really good.
I also started out trading STIRS especially Eurodollars and Short Stirling until ZIRP hit and volumes died down. I'm not saying that this is a good market for beginners, especially since it's so difficult to understand the fundamentals, but what can I say? I much rather sat on a bid for a long end bundle for the entire day than duking it out against the machines in the front end or the belly. Why? Because nobody gave a shit about the long end, they traded the 2y treasuries instead.
But when a lonely soul came along, he HAD to take my price and I either could spread it off where the liquidity was when the entire curve moved or carry inventory with a huge edge and liquidate into the next muppet. That's how I still trade today and the only difference is that I branched out into multiple markets that nobody gives a shit about to increase trade frequency.

You don't need to be a spreader though, the approach is important. You want to be the guy to set the price and let the other guys trade into you. Because if you know the market better than the majority of the players the likelyhood of you being on the right side of the trade is a lot higher.

Look at RIBT. Everyone was shilling the trade "because food crisis". Once you read into their balance sheet and actually took the effort to listen to their earnings conference, you knew it is a piece of shit and the only guys you're trading against are retail FOMO momentum hunters expecting the stock to explode. Easy short...because no big guy ever cares about a stock like that.

So that's why I was excited about the introduction of cash settled cheese futures on the CME. Another shit market nobody pays attention to, another market to exploit.
 
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thats so much BS.
Really, I'm not interested in a pissing contest here but betting on intraday direction in the most competitive market with the most crossflows you can find in any market is definitely the road to ruin for retail.

Pick a niche market that nobody cares about, learn it inside out including fundamentals, supply chains, trade financing and macro factors and become a master of that market. Once your home turf gets out of line you will most likely be the first to notice and you will be able to position yourself properly before the headline hunters chime in. You liquidate into them for a profit, rinse, repeat.

That's what the big boys do in the big markets, that's what I'm doing to make a living and that's what basically every profitable trader I know does. Table selection is extremely important in this game and so is specializing. Don't go where the competition is, go where you are the competition.

There were a couple of threads by @s0mmi which are absolute gold in my opinion. He doesn't post much anymore since I think he wandered off into crypto land (which is completely understandable).

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...make-over-1-million-a-year-at-my-firm.280041/

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/its-been-3-years-and-im-back.302474/page-2

He specialized in ozzie STIRS and knew that market like the back of his hand. Read those threads over and over again and you will realize how much work it takes to become really good.
I also started out trading STIRS especially Eurodollars and Short Stirling until ZIRP hit and volumes died down. I'm not saying that this is a good market for beginners, especially since it's so difficult to understand the fundamentals, but what can I say? I much rather sat on a bid for a long end bundle for the entire day than duking it out against the machines in the front end or the belly. Why? Because nobody gave a shit about the long end, they traded the 2y treasuries instead.
But when a lonely soul came along, he HAD to take my price and I either could spread it off where the liquidity was when the entire curve moved or carry inventory with a huge edge and liquidate into the next muppet. That's how I still trade today and the only difference is that I branched out into multiple markets that nobody gives a shit about to increase trade frequency.
Cash settled cheese futures? I'm in...
you're arguing with a troll who bums wifi off of the waffle house next door to his apartment.
 
when I think of an edge I think of something similar to a pricing discrepancy that can be exploited but not necessarily arbitrage...example being options traders in the 80's who could program BSM into a calculator and simply buy underpriced/sell overpriced contracts...with the odds heavily stacked in their favor over time victory is all but guaranteed.

can simply having a pattern or two that you trade exceptionally well also be considered an edge even though they are widely known? example being head & shoulders or descending/ascending channel patterns that you wait for and have a high positive expectancy [(Win%xWin$)-(Lose%xLose$)] . The issue then becomes limitation in frequency/availability...if you have a trade expectancy of say $200...but only place 1 trade a week...you're in trouble.

thoughts?
That's the nature of trading Daily charts.
It takes longer for 1000 candles to emerge from the hard right edge of the chart than than it does for higher resolution shorter timeframe charts, e.g. 60minute, 30m 10 5 ...
That comes with the territory.
How many Double Tops would you expect on Daily chart based on your stats?
How many possible products can you monitor for the setups that you have benchmarked if Daily charts are your sole preference?

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Consistency only comes with an edge.

Oh yes, the mighty edge. Might it be possible to just improve a little bit over the weeks, months, years, if you sit there in front of your screen and do 100+ trades per day ? Dont you think one would improve and have the chance to become pretty consistent at this game ? Might this be your edge ?
 
Which of these 4 items would you rather do without?
Does your edge address these items?
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...solid-trading-plan.340340/page-4#post-5031706
Good on ya!

How about these?
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...solid-trading-plan.340340/page-2#post-5011924


All that mattered to me was to make money, be green as often as possible, day by day, making a consistent income from scalping the markets. I achieved this by putting in the work, hour after hour, day after day, year after year. I had lots of fun on my way, because I love this game, and so I kept playing the markets, no matter what. This way I slowly improved, step by step. Now I am pretty happy with my trading.

Nothing beats hard work and the effort you put into something.

Mike Tyson: "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
 
Sure, an edge is anything that provides positive expectancy over time, known to others or not is not relevant (though it generally correlates).



when I think of an edge I think of something similar to a pricing discrepancy that can be exploited but not necessarily arbitrage...example being options traders in the 80's who could program BSM into a calculator and simply buy underpriced/sell overpriced contracts...with the odds heavily stacked in their favor over time victory is all but guaranteed.

can simply having a pattern or two that you trade exceptionally well also be considered an edge even though they are widely known? example being head & shoulders or descending/ascending channel patterns that you wait for and have a high positive expectancy [(Win%xWin$)-(Lose%xLose$)] . The issue then becomes limitation in frequency/availability...if you have a trade expectancy of say $200...but only place 1 trade a week...you're in trouble.

thoughts?
 
According to your belief then cash fx trading is a road to ruin yet multi billion funds engage in that every single day without the benefit of seeing client flow like liquidity providers. I tend to disagree with you on this particular claim of crossflows. Retail in general is doomed regardless of asset class to the tune of 95%+

thats so much BS.
Really, I'm not interested in a pissing contest here but betting on intraday direction in the most competitive market with the most crossflows you can find in any market is definitely the road to ruin for retail.

Pick a niche market that nobody cares about, learn it inside out including fundamentals, supply chains, trade financing and macro factors and become a master of that market. Once your home turf gets out of line you will most likely be the first to notice and you will be able to position yourself properly before the headline hunters chime in. You liquidate into them for a profit, rinse, repeat.

That's what the big boys do in the big markets, that's what I'm doing to make a living and that's what basically every profitable trader I know does. Table selection is extremely important in this game and so is specializing. Don't go where the competition is, go where you are the competition.

There were a couple of threads by @s0mmi which are absolute gold in my opinion. He doesn't post much anymore since I think he wandered off into crypto land (which is completely understandable).

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...make-over-1-million-a-year-at-my-firm.280041/

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/its-been-3-years-and-im-back.302474/page-2

He specialized in ozzie STIRS and knew that market like the back of his hand. Read those threads over and over again and you will realize how much work it takes to become really good.
I also started out trading STIRS especially Eurodollars and Short Stirling until ZIRP hit and volumes died down. I'm not saying that this is a good market for beginners, especially since it's so difficult to understand the fundamentals, but what can I say? I much rather sat on a bid for a long end bundle for the entire day than duking it out against the machines in the front end or the belly. Why? Because nobody gave a shit about the long end, they traded the 2y treasuries instead.
But when a lonely soul came along, he HAD to take my price and I either could spread it off where the liquidity was when the entire curve moved or carry inventory with a huge edge and liquidate into the next muppet. That's how I still trade today and the only difference is that I branched out into multiple markets that nobody gives a shit about to increase trade frequency.

You don't need to be a spreader though, the approach is important. You want to be the guy to set the price and let the other guys trade into you. Because if you know the market better than the majority of the players the likelyhood of you being on the right side of the trade is a lot higher.

Look at RIBT. Everyone was shilling the trade "because food crisis". Once you read into their balance sheet and actually took the effort to listen to their earnings conference, you knew it is a piece of shit and the only guys you're trading against are retail FOMO momentum hunters expecting the stock to explode. Easy short...because no big guy ever cares about a stock like that.

So that's why I was excited about the introduction of cash settled cheese futures on the CME. Another shit market nobody pays attention to, another market to exploit.
 
I answered that question in my above post.

Oh yes, the mighty edge. Might it be possible to just improve a little bit over the weeks, months, years, if you sit there in front of your screen and do 100+ trades per day ? Dont you think one would improve and have the chance to become pretty consistent at this game ? Might this be your edge ?
 
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