How to short a stock with zero risk.

[taowave]

Phantom short my ass..
No such thing..

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Not quite. You're more mentally committed to entering the position with a phantom short. Another part of the Phantom short is buying a call or a spread so you lock in the current price in case it rallies, but still have room to continue profiting to the downside like a short.

So no upside risk or downside risk. I have accomplished what 50 years of mathematicians failed to do as seen in this video.

Granted options pricing only exists because of the mathematicians...

 

[wxytrader]

Well if you buy a call or spread it's not a phantom is it. It's called a trade.

It's still a phantom short. I mean with a regular short you usually buy call protection anyway.

 

[schizo]

Well if you buy a call or spread it's not a phantom is it. It's called a trade.

It's still a phantom short. I mean with a regular short you usually buy call protection anyway.

More precisely, it's called paper trading (only in your head).

 

[wxytrader]

More precisely, it's called paper trading (only in your head).

It's not though because with a phantom short, an actual trade is imminent.

 

[poopy]

Cash! Holding cash waiting for an entry is essentially a synthetic put/short position since you are making money as the stock drops...but it carries no risk to capital...no fees, no commission, no time decay.

Opportunity is not a short. A short put is always long delta. You are going to blow out accounts until you stop reloading.

 

[wxytrader]

Opportunity is not a short. A short put is always long delta. You are going to blow out accounts until you stop reloading.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I have mentally decided that I'm buying a certain stock. However, I don't actually pull the trigger. Instead I stay on the sidelines. This will have the exact same effect as if I actually shorted the underlying but without the upside risk., or margin requirements. That's why I call it the Phantom short.

The only difference is when I buy I will actually be holding the underlying versus closing the position, but I will also be collecting a dividend versus paying it out.

 

[poopy]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I have mentally decided that I'm buying a certain stock. However, I don't actually pull the trigger. Instead I stay on the sidelines. This will have the exact same effect as if I actually shorted the underlying but without the upside risk., or margin requirements. That's why I call it the Phantom short.

The only difference is when I buy I will actually be holding the underlying versus closing the position, but I will also be collecting a dividend versus paying it out.

I get that you're suboptimal/borderline functional.

And what if it rallies... the stock that you were planning on buying. You were right to get long but missed the entry. What's the rationale for shorting a stock you want to acquire? This sht reminds me of Taleb's love of "cheap" KO-puts when he was Paloma... he was right but lost the premo when the put struck the barrier. The difference is that he was actually in the mkt not playing SPED-games.

I run a model for D1 that covers a long when the gains over the projected holding period results in a "free call" that was ATM at inception (OTC convention/50D).

Your absurd phantom short is symptomatic of something like early-onset frontotemporal dementia.

Short a put strike under your short target. At least there is actual PNL involved in your wheel absurdity.

 

[taowave]

No doubt he has some cognitive disabilities ..

Simple Math is always off,and his reasoning is challenged..

I get that you're suboptimal/borderline functional.

And what if it rallies... the stock that you were planning on buying. You were right to get long but missed the entry. What's the rationale for shorting a stock you want to acquire? This sht reminds me of Taleb's love of "cheap" KO-puts when he was Paloma... he was right but lost the premo when the put struck the barrier. The difference is that he was actually in the mkt not playing SPED-games.

I run a model for D1 that covers a long when the gains over the projected holding period results in a "free call" that was ATM at inception (OTC convention/50D).

Your absurd phantom short is symptomatic of something like early-onset frontotemporal dementia.

Short a put strike under your short target. At least there is actual PNL involved in your wheel absurdity.

 

[wxytrader]

I get that you're suboptimal/borderline functional.

And what if it rallies... the stock that you were planning on buying. You were right to get long but missed the entry. What's the rationale for shorting a stock you want to acquire? This sht reminds me of Taleb's love of "cheap" KO-puts when he was Paloma... he was right but lost the premo when the put struck the barrier. The difference is that he was actually in the mkt not playing SPED-games.

I run a model for D1 that covers a long when the gains over the projected holding period results in a "free call" that was ATM at inception (OTC convention/50D).

Your absurd phantom short is symptomatic of something like early-onset frontotemporal dementia.

Short a put strike under your short target. At least there is actual PNL involved in your wheel absurdity.

I looked into selling puts but the premiums are cheap af. If it rallies you have a long vertical call spread to cover the amount of shares you are planning on buying.

LOL btw.

 

[taowave]

Long Verticals??

I thought you were 100% in cash raking it in on the phantom short..which is now delta long via Verts??

A mind is a terrible thing to waste