how to read volume

Are buying and selling symmetrical? Buyers assume risk of loss. Stocks can collapse in an absence of buyers, but will not go up in an absence of sellers. Buyers will not pay any price, but sellers may be willing to sell at any price.
 
Quote from dbphoenix:

There are at least three, all of which have to do with imbalances between supply and demand. Two occur as a result of climactic action and resolve themselves as either (1) a V reversal or (2) a climax followed by a test of the "bottom". The third occurs in a lateral base in which price reaches equilibrium and then perhaps prepares to advance. The latter is called "accumulation". If you want to know how to detect it, search the Wyckoff Frum at TL using my name and "accumulation". It's too much to do over again here, at least for me.

So now you're an expert on volume patterns? What happened to "it's the price, stupid"?
 
Quote from billyjoerob:

So now you're an expert on volume patterns? What happened to "it's the price, stupid"?

I stopped discussing volume because people found it so difficult to understand and because it's not really necessary.

As for your snarkiness, I didn't realize we had issues. If I had, I wouldn't have gone to the trouble of providing so much detail regarding the PV analysis of your chart.

It won't happen again.
 
Quote from Redneck:

The first chart, in my view, is not a range – rather a consolidation… I think the term is pennant or symmetrical triangle

Anyway – price is consolidating – meaning neither side is in control

With the increased volume present – there’s a fight ensuing to figure out a winner

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Second chart – volume came in / price stopped going down – at least for the moment

Next two bars – could be a PB… or reversal – no way to tell (at the moment)

Once (assuming is does) price reached (pb to) the TL – I’d be watching to see if volume came back in to resume the down move – or not

eta;
I would also watch to see how price acted @ the 50% level of that last big down bar - again assuming it got there

And, based on the last 3 bars - there is also an up TL - watch to see if it keeps being respected


jmo.... (in this case o = observation)

RN

I'd agree with you about both charts. The KMP chart is directionless, and the increased volume looks to me like big sellers are dribbling out shares.

The NCQ is an index rebalance. I expect the stock to pop back up to $2, I own shares.
 
Quote from billyjoerob:

I'd agree with you about both charts. The KMP chart is directionless, and the increased volume looks to me like big sellers are dribbling out shares.

The NCQ is an index rebalance. I expect the stock to pop back up to $2, I own shares.


Two things;

I would not dismiss what DB posted

I would rid myself of this mindset

Quote from billyjoerob:

I expect


RN
 
what does that even mean, RN? Really. Enough of the zen bs. What are you going to do as a trader if not focus on probabilities of future price movement?
 
Quote from billyjoerob:

what does that even mean, RN? Really. Enough of the zen bs. What are you going to do as a trader if not focus on probabilities of future price movement?


Someone piss in your wheaties this morning

That which you label zen is a mindset

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Mkt is uncertain – either accept that or suffer (and I defy you to prove otherwise)

Since the mkt is uncertain – any ”expectation” on a traders part is fallacy / lunacy/ delusional

Do what price dictates – period

Zen enough for ya

RN


eta; probabilities are like everything else in this business - they work till they don't
 
OK see what you're saying. don't think we disagree. making predictions is what traders do. volume can help. but volume at highs and lows is not symmetrical. volume should move price. if it doesn't, at low it's bullish. at high, bearish. pure price action traders are missing out on valuable patterns and clues that predict price.
 
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=SD&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p70824977460

If you look at this chart, the firm announced good news (a large asset sale) and the stock went down on high volume. Normally a decline on high volume would be bearish, indicating a negative reaction to the news.

Let's assume that there are 10 large investors with large positions (with losses) for sale. On a day to day basis, there are no large buyers, and the price floats up on small volume as the large sellers sit on their hands. The large buyers are in no hurry, seeing all the stock for sale. The sellers have a minimum price and otherwise will not sell. Once the news of the deal is released, large buyers show up. Because of the embedded sellers, buyers demand a size discount. If this is correct, the high volume is more informative than the price decline.

If this is correct, the stock should show increased volume over the next few weeks (without much price movement) as the large sellers and large buyers are temporarily equally matched.
 
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