how to manage false breakouts on NQ ES

Quote from Simtrader:

THERE IS SOME SHITE DISCUSSED HERE! I see that we've got the 2 tick newbies out in force alongside the academics who don't even trade. Exellent BS to waste your time.

First off: trading Breakouts is the ONLY way to trade. All you buggers looking for the pullback are wasting your time. You just want to feel clever catching the turn. I bet you don’t make any money. If it’s real, it ain’t pulling back, Jack. As for the buggers who trade with 2-4 tick stop-losses: don’t make me laugh!

You wanna make money? You gotta buy high (the higher the better) and sell even higher. You gotta sell at the bottom and buy even lower. The idea is the catch the momentum moves. Let everyone else scrap over the middle shit. And you gotta aim for enough profit to make it worthwhile. $200 a contract in the ES or forget it. You should attempt this only once (or max) twice a day. If you want to make more than $200, trade more contracts not more signals. The key is to know which breakouts. Here’s the jist (not nec all my fine tuning):

5 min chart, standard Bollinger Bands with middle line a simple Mov Avg in place of the middle Boll line. Nothing else needed.

Buy Signal:
Wait for a bar whose high is sticking above the top Bollinger line and whose mov avg line is up compared to the last bar. Wait for a minimum of one bar that has a lower high (to generate a pivot high), and also wait for a bar whose low is lower than the pivot high bar. This can happen within 1 bar or 15 bars. I usually prefer to wait at least 2 bars after the bar high in order to create a proper pivot (this is discretionary). Buy 1 tick above the pivot high on a breakout. Sell automatically for $200 profit. Trail the stop behind any strong up bar (open at bottom, close at top, decent range) otherwise keep it $150-$200 away or behind a pivot low. Reverse logic for sells.

Now here’s the key. Look for ONLY one trade from 09:40 – 11:30 EST and only one trade from 20:00 – 22:15 EST. Do not trade any other hours or any other signals no matter what. This is what is known as having patience and discipline. Make your $200 in the morning then piss off until the last 2 hours (or don’t come back at all). Will you miss some moves in the middle of the day? Yes you will. The aim is not to be a clever arse. The aim is to make money by focusing on strong momentum moves. Let everyone else tear each other’s hair out in the middle hours - while you go to the gym. You wanna trade when the institutions come into the market and drive it. That means the first two hours and the last two hours. It helps retain focus.

Best tip of all:

Apply the first trade to the DAX because you can make a shite load more money. Most Yankee Doodles don’t even realise that the DAX and ESTX50 markets trade until 14:00 EST. Many yanks have probably never even heard of "Eurex" the worlds biggest (& 100% electronic) futures exchange. Yet these two symbols are fabulous markets to daytrade. Way better than ES and NQ. They’re electonic, liquid, and available through your existing US broker (if not, move your account). They are less choppy and less subject to false breakouts. DAX is for the big boys: it's a big grizzly bear (with c. 100,000 daily volume). ESTX50 (c. 500,000 daily volume) is the perfect ES substitute i.e. it moves about the same money. You don't have to live in Europe to trade these markets from 09:40 - 11:30 EST. Just make sure you collect the data overnight.

June 3rd attached: a day when neither target was hit in the ES. [Anyone can handpick a day to show how great their idea is]. I chose this day to show what happens in a less than perfect scenario. You still made money in the ES, but you would have made much more money taking the same signals in the DAX or ESTX50 because those targets WERE hit.

Now let's go back to the tick traders and academics for some more BS. After all, I've got so much free time between my trades to laugh at their nonsense :) :)


BTW, I didnt get where you put your initial stop.

pretzel
 
Maybe I am missing something but I cannot see where you can
even subscribe to DAX quotes from IB... If they don't have quotes
then how can you can trade it through IB? Eurex they have. I am
in the US...
 
Quote from Simtrader:

5 min chart, standard Bollinger Bands with middle line a simple Mov Avg in place of the middle Boll line. Nothing else needed.

What MA do you use?
 
Quote from version77:

Maybe I am missing something but I cannot see where you can
even subscribe to DAX quotes from IB... If they don't have quotes
then how can you can trade it through IB? Eurex they have. I am
in the US...


Yes, you can have quotes on IB if you subscribe from your account on the IB website - 8 euros/month.

There is also the German Bund (GBL), which BTW, rolls over today to the Sept contract. 10 euros/0.01 tick - dont know if Simtrader is also trading this.

pretzel
 

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After today I am a believer in the VDU bars. I combined that with what I am already looking at and it worked like magic. In fact if you were just looking for VDU bars there were three trades already today worth 8 - 10 points. Hopefully today use and consistency is indicative of future accuracy. It is just another trick to add to the bag to fill in the complete picture of what is going on.
 
5 minutes all the way. I track all 4 main index markets side-by-side to watch for confirmation/nullifying signals. 4 main are ES, YM in the US, and DAX, ESTX50 on Eurex. I don't really bother with NQ since it rarely tells me anything that ES doesn't already show.

Take a look at the attached. 15:55 pivot high bar my chart time today June 5th (that's 09:55 EST). What a peach of a breakout in the DAX! It went straight up to my target of 15 points (375 Euros) without ever looking back. What was the ES and YM doing during this same time period? Sweet bugger all, that's what. Don't get me wrong I like ES trading but I just LOVE Dax trading. Even when trading only ES, NQ or YM ...it's amazing how many times you are helped by the two Euro markets. Just the other day I was long the ES which gave no indication of a top, suddenly the DAX gave a raging key reversal bar so I bailed the ES short of my target but with more profit than had I held on.

Anyone not trading or following all four (or five) index futures side-by-side is seriously missing out.

To answer your question, I trade the DAX & ESTX50 from 09:40 to 11:30 EST. But I live in Europe so even much better, I trade the first two hours of their own opening. That would be 03:00am - 05:00am EST. The move in this time period is often just beautiful. None of you US people to bugger things up!
 

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With discretion: $150 - $200 away, or behind a recent pivot, or behind a very strong up bar as previously defined. I tend to move them quite quickly because I expect a strong up bar very soon after entry. If I don't get it, and the market seems faltering then I may scratch the trade. But I'll usually give it 3-4 bars to move in my direction before I think about scratching.
 
Quote from cornholetrading:

After today I am a believer in the VDU bars. I combined that with what I am already looking at and it worked like magic. In fact if you were just looking for VDU bars there were three trades already today worth 8 - 10 points. Hopefully today use and consistency is indicative of future accuracy. It is just another trick to add to the bag to fill in the complete picture of what is going on.
mr. cornhole,

can you make a pic showing the 3 VDUs where 8-10 points followed?

thx
 
The Bollinger Bands are length 10, standard deviation 1.8.
The moving average is actually an "Adaptive Moving Average" with length 11 and FastC of 5, SlowC of 5. Whatever the hell that all means!

Truth is, I just plugged in the default indicators from my charting software SierraChart without caring or trying to fine tune any settings. I simply liked the look of them on the chart. That's how unscientific I am.

Pretzel is correct. It costs 8 Euros a month to get Eurex data from IB. I was being a little facetious when I said zero cost! But it's a chicken ***t cost compared to the benefit obtained of charting these symbols.

No I don't trade the Bund on Eurex. But only because I don't consider the intraday moves big enough for my taste. I see it just set a record of 2 million contracts traded in one day. It would be a great symbol to trade in a slightly longer timeframe. I just stick to the index futures, since they are all so closely correlated.

To the unaware, just bear in mind that Eurex is opposite to Globex in the sense that stops are held native, while stop-limits are not (in Globex it's the other way around). Other than that, trading the DAX and ESTX50 on IB is exactly like trading the ES and NQ.
 
Quote from cornholetrading:

After today I am a believer in the VDU bars. I combined that with what I am already looking at and it worked like magic. In fact if you were just looking for VDU bars there were three trades already today worth 8 - 10 points. Hopefully today use and consistency is indicative of future accuracy. It is just another trick to add to the bag to fill in the complete picture of what is going on.

Do you like the KMX example today. Another tenured stock I have is SAPE. When anything is coming out of DU, you can bet on the impact of very few first trades to goose it. Then the herd rolls into the picture.
 
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