How to make decent $ with conservative vertical spread?

Quote from commiebat:

If one is slightly less pedantic, an income strategy generates more consistent gains than a growth strategy. Most people who are looking for income have a certain desired income level, and do not want to assume greater risk in order to generate a higher average/expected reward. In addition, an income investor might tolerate capital drawdowns as long as cash flow is stable, for example owning dividend-paying stocks or bonds that decrease in face value while continuing to pay the same amount of interest or dividends.

There is no increased risk associated with a growth strat, simply because it is viewed as a growth strat. If the target gains are the same, the acceptable risk should also be the same. Nobody ever said the growth strat has to allow for unlimited gains. Take a strat with unlimited gains and impose hedges to limit those gains to the same amount as your proposed income strat, and your risk should now be equal also.

True income investments are those that generate guaranteed income, such as your dividend example. Even then, the same instruments might be used for growth if the dividends, coupon pymts, etc are re-invested.

That's okay for an income investor, since all he wants is safe cash from month to month. He does not want his portfolio to be optimally invested or highly leveraged, as long as he has enough capital to generate the desired level of income.

That's why holding T-bonds might be a valid income investment at any price for someone with more cash than he needs, but would never be a valid growth investment unless you had an outlook on interest rates.

First off, every investor should seek to be optimally invested regardless of targeting income or growth. His port should not fall below the efficient frontier as it were.

Your second statement isn't necessarily true. I've got a "growth" retirement account that is in money market right now. Why? Because the perceived downside risk outweighs the estimated upside potential in the other growth funds. The money market instruments are growth still because all disbursements are immediately re-invested for compound growth. A single T-bill can't be a growth investment because gains cannot be re-invested in that bill. A fund that allows for re-investment of gains can be growth though, even if it is entirely made up of T-bills.

Here is where I disagree with you the most. Longer-term portfolio strategies (as opposed to longer-term holding periods for individual securities) can and should tolerate greater drawdowns. Warren Buffett buys stock in a company and waits as long as it takes for it to go up. An 80 year old retiree wants his bingo money for the week, every week, and if he doesn't get it he gets no comfort from owning a stock that will do well in a couple years.

If your income strategy is growth-style, by generating regular capital gains, a big drawdown will be quite painful. If you're trading for growth, you can wait out that same market fluctuation.

You missed the point. Your proposed long-term port that allows for big drawdowns is also allowing for larger gains. Put a limit on those gains so that the gains mimic your proposed income strat and then tell me what you get.

There is no such thing as a growth style income strategy because the only thing that differentiates the two is re-investment of gains.
 
Maybe you can convince me otherwise. You give me an example of a single trading strategy (other than the previously mentioned T-bills, bonds, etc) that you think is an income strategy, but cannot be an acceptable growth strat.
 
Income generating strategies = growth strategies. The only difference is you take money out with the income generating strategies and leave the money in with growth strategies.
 
Quote from forex-forex:

Income generating strategies = growth strategies. The only difference is you take money out with the income generating strategies and leave the money in with growth strategies.

My point exactly.
 
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