How to make a deeply out-of-the-money market

[JackRab]

Perpetual bond aspect is not a problem. It's the callable/mandatory aspect that gets you.

Or the provisions in (not) paying the interest for a few years...

The perpetual nature means big effects in long term rate changes... maybe less so for this specific one, but if it has a fixed 5% and you buy it at above par... that will still hurt quite a bit when long rates go up...

Anyway, I learned my lesson... not touching those until they sit at 30-50...

 

[sle]

The perpetual nature means big effects in long term rate changes... maybe less so for this specific one, but if it has a fixed 5% and you buy it at above par... that will still hurt quite a bit when long rates go up...

It's gonna exchange, though, so you will own regular equity after the mandatory date (or earlier if an "event" occurs). I'd guess these things are as good as owning equity minus the voting rights, with an adjustment due to call convexity. Still mostly shit at the issue price, obviously.

PS. these things are fucking complex, love it

 

[JackRab]

It's gonna exchange, though, so you will own regular equity after the mandatory date (or earlier if an "event" occurs). I'd guess these things are as good as owning equity minus the voting rights, with an adjustment due to call convexity. Still mostly shit at the issue price, obviously.

PS. these things are fucking complex, love it

All right... you've got me into reading that prospectus.... damned...

 

[JackRab]

So, that exchange is interesting indeed... 15 Dec 2020. Could be interesting to hold this during the 20 days before.