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How to hide incriminating evidence
- Thread starter OPTIONAL777
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Yes, I would want the accused killers to get the same justice as we want for our own. I would want equality under the law, not vigilante justice, nor an end justifying the means solution.
If we don't put our principles first, then our real principles don't last and we become that which we started out to avoid.
Fair enough. However I agree with Papa.
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...and the Muslims extremists agree with you and Papa about the end justifying the means...
Which is EXACTLY why we should be no different. Do you think they would stop if we showed them the example of how to conduct war?
Just remember the phrase "all is fair in love and war"
We should always sink to the level of the opponent?
What a high minded philosophy...
Very principled, which why it is that we can no longer tell the good guys from the bad guys in this world...they have all become bad in the name of "goodness."
What a high minded philosophy...
Very principled, which why it is that we can no longer tell the good guys from the bad guys in this world...they have all become bad in the name of "goodness."
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Which is EXACTLY why we should be no different. Do you think they would stop if we showed them the example of how to conduct war?
Just remember the phrase "all is fair in love and war"
Quote from OPTIONAL777:
We should always sink to the level of the opponent?
What a high minded philosophy...
Very principled, which why it is that we can no longer tell the good guys from the bad guys in this world...they have all become bad in the name of "goodness."
Your letting your ideals blind you to reality. If you were trading against someone who had a distinct advantage over you, you would lose in the long run. We all have idealistic views of how things should be, but they will never exist like that in this world so the playing field MUST at least be level or an advantage to you. Read the Art of War, ancient principles of engagement that ring true to this day.
That book would tell you to not engage in a war like this if we will not engage our enemy properly.
My ideals don't blind me to the reality that we are sacrificing what made us great as a nation when we can stay true to our principles and defend our own country.
Will you stop with the Art of war nonsense?
Those who wrote those ideas lost the war...
Will you stop with the Art of war nonsense?
Those who wrote those ideas lost the war...
Quote from PAPA ROACH:
Your letting your ideals blind you to reality. If you were trading against someone who had a distinct advantage over you, you would lose in the long run. We all have idealistic views of how things should be, but they will never exist like that in this world so the playing field MUST at least be level or an advantage to you. Read the Art of War, ancient principles of engagement that ring true to this day.
That book would tell you to not engage in a war like this if we will not engage our enemy properly.
Quote from OPTIONAL777:
we can stay true to our principles and defend our own country.
Great, let's capture and teach our enemy Kumbaya! Show them the sound of music!
Under your idealistic blinders, we should arm our soldiers with knives and send them into a gunfight. It's ok for us to die, die with good solid principles. Let me remind you that we won WWII by killing masses of women and children in Japan, dropping 2 nukes on them.
I too, wish the world was different and we could all get along, but that is a pipe dream.
You seem to be going off on a tangent.
I am suggesting we be a nation of law and principles first and foremost, you are suggesting we become as low as the enemy.
There is no civilization in becoming just like the uncivilized...and it was not necessary to drop the bomb to win the war with Japan.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=it+w...bomb+to+win+the+war+with+japan&fp=lRDD8WBgbNU
Really, you have a choice to allow an enemy to destroy a principled existence, or to stand firm on the principles that stand for civilization...
The end justifies the means is the exact same approach the Muslim extremists take, and you certainly don't support their principles, do you?
I am suggesting we be a nation of law and principles first and foremost, you are suggesting we become as low as the enemy.
There is no civilization in becoming just like the uncivilized...and it was not necessary to drop the bomb to win the war with Japan.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=it+w...bomb+to+win+the+war+with+japan&fp=lRDD8WBgbNU
Really, you have a choice to allow an enemy to destroy a principled existence, or to stand firm on the principles that stand for civilization...
The end justifies the means is the exact same approach the Muslim extremists take, and you certainly don't support their principles, do you?
Quote from PAPA ROACH:
Great, let's capture and teach our enemy Kumbaya! Show them the sound of music!
Under your idealistic blinders, we should arm our soldiers with knives and send them into a gunfight. It's ok for us to die, die with good solid principles. Let me remind you that we won WWII by killing masses of women and children in Japan, dropping 2 nukes on them.
I too, wish the world was different and we could all get along, but that is a pipe dream.
You're right, I am on a rant. I want this war on terror to end, I want our guys to come back to their families and I want at least some sort of semblance to stability in the Islamic world.
But unless we play hardball with these guys, we will likely be at war perpetually. If we had never used the nukes, there may have been a much different outcome to that war, and many many more lives ultimately lost.
War is hell.
But unless we play hardball with these guys, we will likely be at war perpetually. If we had never used the nukes, there may have been a much different outcome to that war, and many many more lives ultimately lost.
War is hell.