How to go from trading education to trading?

Quote from TraderGreg:

Thank you all for your replies, especially Tom. Based on your recommendations and trading strategies, is it now wisest of me just to study charts with few if any indicators? Would this also mean that I should hold off on programming (at least during personal time, and take a class or two in college)?

Thanks for your help.

Do yourself a favor and go slow. Learn the fundamentals of one market and learn to find opportunities where the risk reward fits your personality. Charts are good, but most of the successful and consistently profitable traders I've met understand the fundamentals of their market.

Good luck.
 
Quote from tom123:

I hope my comments can help a little. Ive been in a similar place this year. I'm right there at that transition point youre talking about....making the crossover from paper trading to real money.... and its been strangely difficult. for many reasons. many of them psychological, as others mentioned. Ive been studying for about 7 months. thats not a long time by experts standards. but 12 hours a day, as fast and furious and thoughtful as I can.... I got myself to this point. focused 100 % of my time (not working to supplement income yet)... Ive gone thru stages of skill development I never realized, there were such levels of skill ... the difference between what I know now, versus 1 month ago is like the difference between kindergarten and college grad... what I thought I knew a month ago, when I thought I was ready to trade with real money, because I was turning 50 pips profit a day in paper trading.... somehow didnt translate to the same success when I went to real money trading. and in the first month of real money trading, I lost 800 dollars. thats alot of money to lose.... the 'cost' of my real education in forex.
Now , I'm at the stage where I break even every day....a good step forward.
and the difference between breaking even and making great profits... I can tell you ... is often a matter of missing an entry timing by 10 seconds.... !! after establishing a great set up,understanding all the indicators, all the time frames, all the candlesticks...and just about ready to pull the trigger.... my inexperience still makes me hesitate sometimes....and then the rocket ship blasts off , exactly as I expected....and I lost another good trade, to fear, inexperience, and hesitation. this is where I'm at now, after 7 months of intensive training.
all this, saying, just to give you an idea of what its like in this 'transition phase'... I dont do much back testing. I focused instead on perfecting my understanding of the indicator tools I use, trendline construction, candlestick analysis, CCI, and just hours and hours of screen time.

whats frustrating now, is that I'm at the limit of loss I allowed myself before I said I wont risk any more loss.... so now, the last 2 weeks... Ive been doing this really brilliant rookie mistake.... setting my stop loss too tight...(4 pips ...(ridiculous !?!)...and 80 % of the time get stopped out for loss.... and then,of course, watch the trade go my expected way, for the 10 pip ride that I should have had. and instead I lose 5 bucks a pop. after 2 weeks of that...Ive lost another 75 dollars. explaining this now, might inspire me to take my skull and bang it into the nearest wall to whack some sense into my head, and realize that you cant trade successfully when you place your stop losses at 4 pips. duh.
and so, on it goes.

So, I forget the questions you posed ,sorry for that, but I hope some of my own experience might offer you some sense of what it can be like.
when I was paper trading I was trading agressively,intraday, and making 300 dollars a day in fake money. now, with real money.... I'm just about breaking even, and ready to turn the corner. I will be thrilled to make 30 pips profit in a day.

I know I will master the game some day.and I'm getting there. but it takes tremendous hours of screen time, and patience, and driving desire to focus your whole mind on the learning process. its like becoming a black belt in a martial art. or mastering any skill or sport. it cant possibly be achieved in one summer vacation from college.

Before I got into forex. I read the posts of experts here who all said it will take at least a year to learn the forex. I said to myself, no, I will get good at it in 3 or 4 months.
Now, I understand, they are right. and I'll be lucky if it only takes me a year.

it can take a whole week, just to get used to the shock of losing real money for the first time. then overcoming the pain of seeing your first 100 dollars go down the drain. then, hopefully you learn to stop the madness before you lose everything. and get back to paper trading for a while, etc...and then ,with patience, see how you learn one step forward , one step back...and it just takes alot of time to develop the skills.

hope my thoughts are helpful to your perspective.
It sounds like losing $100 bucks is ripping your account to shreds, LOL :p ... welcome to mini-pikerville, a place that I didn't even know existed! :eek:

And you guys think he "makes sense"?

Talk aboud dumb, dumber and dumbest ... the best advice to the OP is to focus on girls and school, in that order. I hope he's smart enough to take it, but I doubt it. :D

But tell you what, here's some more, "a paper trader taking advice from other paper traders is worse than the blind leading the blind", the only thing they're going to do is lead you in front of an oncoming bus.

Whatever you do, you're really young and the world is nothing but opportunity, but you're going to need some common sense and wisdom to take advantage of, so good luck.
 
Quote from rcj:


Pick a stock, future, etc...whatever, thats quiet(hahahah) at the moment but with good liquidity. Now, open a very small position
and i mean real small...like odd lot (stock) or,say, 1 car(future).
Yeah ...long or short doesnt matter...just get the trade open,ok?
Now after about 10 - 30 seconds GET OUT...close the trade. Do this several times...even if you are making a few $$ ...just get out.
Do this several times and then stop...quit. See how ya feel.
Feel what its like to win/lose ... doing it with real $$$. I think its
a good way to "transition" into a market.


Good hint. I used this to make the transition from paper trading to actually trading a while back. Now I ease in and out of trades without anxiety, but that is a great way to get the 'feel' of being in the market. The 'feel' for the psychological pain and pleasure associated with being in the green and red.
 
Quote from TraderGreg:



How did you make the transition from knowing trading to being a trader?

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All this stuff is helpful enough, but in reality its a pretty simple thing
Just like the Nike commercials say "Just do it!" Thats the only way.
 
Quote from TraderGreg:

I've been studying and learning trading and the markets from a background perspective for months and months, but am struggling in finding how to make the transition to actual trading.

I've tried limited backtesting programming, but I am not very good at those kinds of things, and am learning from scratch (so it could take a long, long time before I can do that). I've also tried testing others' strategies just by hand, but have found nothing that works enough and consistently to have any confidence in.

How did you make the transition from knowing trading to being a trader?

I want to have fairly consistent, proven setups, but just can't decide on my next move. I only have about 6 weeks before I lose most of my time to college now, so I don't want to waste the summer learning how to program, for instance. I figure I could print out charts full of different indicators and study, paper trade what I know and learn from experience, keep learning how to program, sit around and be indecisive, or what?

I appreciate the help.

Best celebrity quote I heard (from Joe DiNapoli) is that it's a 5/50 proposition. It takes about 5 years and tying up $50K to become a successful trader.
 
Quote from FreeMarketRider:

Best celebrity quote I heard (from Joe DiNapoli) is that it's a 5/50 proposition. It takes about 5 years and tying up $50K to become a successful trader.

Why do people always assume that traders are going to start losing money, and that it's inevitable? If you know yourself, know your strategy, study and prepare for the markets, and keep your discipline above emotion, what's the difference?

Honestly, if there's no mental toughness there, then why begin trading???
 
Quote from TraderGreg:

Why do people always assume that traders are going to start losing money, and that it's inevitable? If you know yourself, know your strategy, study and prepare for the markets, and keep your discipline above emotion, what's the difference?

Honestly, if there's no mental toughness there, then why begin trading???

Good luck with that.
 
Yes, I do agree with you. Anyway, I received advice from a trader who suggested that I join a trading chat room and just watch, listen, and analyze. What do you think of trading rooms?

And do you have any chat room recommendations for a swing trader?

Thanks for your help!
 
Quote from TraderGreg:

Yes, I do agree with you. Anyway, I received advice from a trader who suggested that I join a trading chat room and just watch, listen, and analyze. What do you think of trading rooms?

And do you have any chat room recommendations for a swing trader?

Thanks for your help!

I'll tell you this as someone who ran one for a long time, and was very good at it in my own very humble opinion. 90% of them are a waste of time, maybe more since I'm not doing it anymore :) If you want a free room you can check out look into #Mainstreet on othernet. Toni does a great job, and it is and will remain free as far as I know. I'm in there from time to time as my health and time allow.

Really thought what I said in my prior post is the only way to do this thing. You just gotta do it.
 
Quote from TraderGreg:

Why do people always assume that traders are going to start losing money, and that it's inevitable? If you know yourself, know your strategy, study and prepare for the markets, and keep your discipline above emotion, what's the difference?

Honestly, if there's no mental toughness there, then why begin trading???

I'm not sure DiNapoli was saying much about "mental toughness" with that remark. It was more a reference to the learning curve. I think your comments are on the money about stratedgy, preparation, and discipline cover all the bases here.

The central theme of remarks here is that the transition comes with taking positions with real money. Be as ready as you can for that by having some kind of trade / money management plan in place when you take a position. Your account size and time frame will dictate which markets to avoid (ie don't over trade your capital).

When I was a kiddie (circa 1979) I caught a ride (hitchhiking home from college) with someone who was a trader (driving a new 911 Carrera). He said he learned the business from a friend in 3 months and never had a losing year in his 9 years trading. His major in college was "English Literature", not a financial major. Markets were probably simpler to trade back then. I didn't discuss much with him about trading, but he did remark that one of the core skills was keeping losses small.

Best of Luck!
 
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