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1. You state the bible is written from the standpoint of the snake.
For the most part, yes. When it get's to the part where Jesus woke up, it was written by sleepers. So it's an interpretation of Jesus and what he stood for. The interpretation leaves the average reader with wrong impression. The bible gives you an unsolved Rubic Cube. Most readers assume the puzzle is solved and the text is clear. This is not the case. Unless you look at it with the Spirit of Truth, you will misinterpret it.
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I would agree with you implicit point.... if you think the bible is written from the stand point of Satan... they it should not be followed.
Jesus should be followed out of an old way of thinking. Jesus' would-be followers were not ready to follow him at that time (out of an old way of thinking). Assuming they did (follow him out of an old way of thinking), and assuming they interpreted correctly what Jesus was all about...
is assuming too much. They still, for the most part, believed in sacrifice. Still portrayed Go(o)d as unmerciful. They still believed guilt was the truth (instead of the Truth). And they still died, despite intra-biblical references that they ought not to...if they truly understood what Jesus as all about.
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But , for Christ's sake please quote Christ more accurately if you are going to reference the biblical Christ.
For Christ's sake, i will interpret the bible correctly, understanding that it itself is an interpretation that goes astray here and there. It is like a field in which both good and evil seeds have been sown. Swallow it whole and you will have a psychological problem. It's a psychic minefield. Step wrong, and put your trust in your own way, and you will blow your brains to bits.
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Christ did not promise that I must think I am God to have eternal life... he promised that if I act in faith on God's promises I will have eternal life.
There's only one promise in the bible that means anything. It's the "promise of redemption", symbolized by the miraculous death-defying escape from a tomb. That miracle was not the redemption. That miracle was the promise of redemption...a sign of destiny. It is not accomplished without your cooperation. You must be willing to wake up, as Jesus was willing to wake up. You will not do this while you pretend the world experience is not a (bad) dream ( a nightmare) in the mind of Christ.
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I challenge you to find a promise that says I must believe I am God in order to have eternal life.
The "promise of redemption" requires you believe you are Christ in order to have eternal life. Christ is a Being who knows his Self to be equal to Go(o)d, having come from Go(o)d. Christ, like Go(o)d, is Life. If you believe you are not Life, you must be believing you are something other than Life. What might that be? This, more than anything, was taught by example. The example is quite obvious. It's the interpretation of the example that makes this promise, and it's prerequisite agreement, obscure.
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The thief on the Cross recognized Jesus' divinity.
Abraham followed Gods request.
Jesus says that I must eat his body and drink his blood to have eternal life.
Divinity is a Whole Totality. Jesus symbolized the Whole Totality. Once you recognize the Whole Totality, you will be saved because if Christ is a Whole Totality, it must mean that you are Christ. To the extent that you don't know that, you are in self-denial. That which denies itself is the "prodigal son". Self-denial leads to deprivation and suffering. That which denies Self is all of mankind, all of whom are suffering in one way or another. Every one is carrying a cross of sorts. Thus, Jesus also represented all of mankind when he hung on the cross. Mankind is hanging on a cross. Man uses euphemisms for his cross. He calls it, for example, "the world". The world is Christ crucified. Time is a tomb for a dead Christ.
Abraham died in a traditional way. All you know about him is from dead doers of deeds. There are two ways to follow:
Be
Obey
Obey and die.
Be and live.
Obedience denies that there is only one Will...the Will of Go(o)d. There is no other Will, the Will of Go(o)d being a Whole Totality. Obedience implies that there is Go(o)d's Will, and your will. This is not the truth. Lay down your will as the lie that it is. Then you will be what you Will...with Go(o)d. Being is not about obedience. It's about Being how you are. Obedience is a way to pretend you are not who you are. Obedience implies you can go against the Will of Go(o)d by choice. This is simply not true, except in the imagination of the prodigal son and his offspring (mankind).
Eating and drinking him is a reference to being him. It's about being one with him. It's about paying very close attention to what he is saying...to what he is Being. It's about identifying with Christ.
Quote from jem:There are a few other promises... but to think I am God is the exact thing I am not supposed to do.
Then you, like most of Jesus would-be followers, are too steeped in orthodox Judaism to follow his example/lead/way.
Quote from jem:In fact the whole premise of the old testament is that you should know who God is and that he is the only God, and that you know who he is by the fact he keeps his promises to the the hebrews.
Beware the leaven of the Pharisees, which is the whole premise of the old testament.
Quote from jem:Remember when Moses was gone up the mountain and the jews went back to worshiping false Gods? Not good.
Likewise, Jewish scriptures have become a false idol since Jesus ascended on high.
Quote from jem:Thinking you are God is the promise of the new age and the new media.
Some people think that flesh and blood is Go(o)d, or is an expression of Go(o)d. Thus, they confuse what masks (veils) Go(o)d with Go(o)d. Man is not Go(o)d. Man is a mask over the face of Christ. Thinking the mask is Christ is where most thinkers go astray. Thinking you are the mask is also another way to go astray. You are not the mask, and the mask is not Christ. You are Christ...when you take off the mask.
Quote from jem: It is the exact downfall of satan. Its is what Satan tempts man with.
It is the conceit that brings damnation.
Pride goes before a fall. Pride is the attitude that, besides Go(o)d, there is another being, namely, another self besides Self. This is what "selfishness" is all about. It's also prideful to pretend to be something other than Go(o)d. Why? Because Go(o)d comprises a World of Equals. Equals are humble, being the same. To be something else, you must be special. The "devil" is the manifestation of a desire to be special. This leads to a fall because apart from Go(o)d, the only way to be special is down. The reason for this is because Go(o)d is a Whole Totality, as well as each Being in the World of Go(o)d. To be different, then, you must distinguish yourself by taking away...by subtraction. If you subtract from perfection, you are asking for trouble. Mankind is the offspring of "the devil"...the desire to be special. Mankind is a mask that pretends to have the attributes of Go(o)d, specifically "real" and "truth". This is to be puffed up with pride. So man continues to fall as he listens to his "father". Subtract from the Equality of Go(o)d and you end up in a hierarchy fighting for position. The devil is a paradox that subtracts from Go(o)d by attempting to add to Go(o)d...to have more than Go(o)d...to be more than Go(o)d. It was never about being Equal, which is the status quo in Heaven already.
Quote from jem: Whether you take the bible seriously or you just observe it as a story. It should be clear to all the fundamental question Man has to deal with is...
I've just dealt with man's fundamental questions. If you don't find those in the bible, it's because the bible is not clear as you say it is.
Quote from jem:Will he worship man (himself) or God?
You are preaching the same thing the serpent preached.
Whatever worship is, it is done in Spirit and in Truth. It is not done in temples made with hands, specifically, in bodies (temples made with hands). So, the only one who truly worships (worthships, values, appreciates) Go(o)d is Christ, who is both Spirit and Truth.
Actually, you are maintaining the deceivers legacy at the moment. It would separate you from Christ. It has many psychological barriers to keep you from Christ. Apart from Christ, you will die. As Christ, you will live as Life. Therefore, lay down your so-called "life" apart from Christ. Only then will you be able to take up your life again as Christ...as Life itself.
