How to deal with those non-Americans messing with threads on American National Intere

daniel_m:`msfe (wild), you can't see any ubiquity amongst western cultures huh?

you're truly pathetic.

just another holier than thou ultra-liberal eurodisney, too keen to distance himself from everything he regards american, smugly pointing fingers from his little corner of the alps. you might wanna put a check on that nasty little habit -- it's obviously completely clouded your ability to see reality.´

you seem to regard Australia American - i don´t
 
having actually spent years living in both countries, i can, with all confidence, say that they both share what are commonly known (depending on which remote valley you're from) as "western values" and "western culture".

(like, urban australia is a lot more urban american-like than smalltown montana, for example... geddit?)
 
if you think your indonesian culture is in some way objectively superior, please, tell me about it.. i'll be all ears.

lol. yeah right. a pack of musilm (indictment enough) illiterates all trying to screw each other over $2 are gonna offer anything to the world... hahahaha [/QUOTE]

Well, and you think you're contributing to an argument?
"a pack of musilm (indictment enough) illiterates"? You should have run this through a spell check, you "idit"!

I don't know where I am supposed to have said that Indonesia is some sort of a role model for other countries. Malaysia, yes maybe, I am a fan of Datuk Seri Dr. Mahathir Mohammed, but Indonesia has to sort out its own internal ethnic problems before it can move forward. And that may take some more centuries, as the example of Australia demonstrates.

You don't like "nasi goreng"? So? What do you expect me to say? Do you really believe that Indonesia will start a crusade which will not end until everybody in Australia is a Nasi Goreng adict?

Why don't you just go back into Pauline Hanson's fish-n-chip-shop or better even, go to your club, sit in a corner and cry into your beer.
 
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having actually spent years living in both countries, i can, with all confidence, say that they both share what are commonly known (depending on which remote valley you're from) as "western values" and "western culture".

(like, urban australia is a lot more urban american-like than smalltown montana, for example... geddit?)
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I am always intrigued by the way "westerners" use the term "western culture'. It is as nebulous as the famous "oriental values" that some Asian politicians (eg Lee Kuan Yew) mention when they run out of arguments.

If the western culture should be based on religion, or more precisely on christianity, then it should by right be called oriental: if there was a Jesus, he lived in Palestine, far to the East from Europe.

And Australia, forgive me, may be "western" in that sense, but whatever culture there is has been brought in by Asian immigrants. That's a simple and undeniable fact, let's face it. Whatever there was before Asian immigration was not Australian, but some melange of British/Irish and other European flotsam.
And before the European conquest there was the culture of those people who are now referred to as the "aborigenes". Their culture was to survive under the harshest thinkable conditions, but those European immigrants tried to eradicate them from the face of the earth.
 
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Thank you for providing proof for what I stated: your language is oppressive and offensive and continues to be so. And also thank you for telling me that the the word "bully" is in the singular tense: you must be a linguist, and quite a good one at that. Yes, we poor foreign devils don't have good schools, and when it comes to writing in foreign languages, a typing error slips in. Thank you, Uncle Sam for correcting me/us! All of us, including the Swiss among us.

Talking about the Swiss: as far as I am concerned, the Guardian is one of the very few English language papers which almost always make excellent reading. Your "babbling" by contrast is not half as inspiring. MSFE has quite rightly quoted from that paper, because unfortunately for you and me, in Switzerland they do not speak English. When on my MBA programme in Geneva I had to learn French, which I enjoyed very much, but I could not convince the Swiss to give up their three and a half languages in favour of my Bahasa Indonesia.
Which reminds me of a nice little joke about an American who was sent for training to Switzerland (yes, there are some Americans who still need training...). When he was back home his folks asked him how life was over there. And he said: unbelievable! In Switzerland they speak 3 languages: German, French and Italian. But what is worse, there is a town which in German is called Luzern, in French it is called Lausanne and in Italian it is called Lugano.

If you don't get this one, which is not syurprising, don't worry.

I am not worried about you shooting me: I have a blowpipe from Kalimantan in my home with some nice and spicy arrows. You won't like it if one of them gets to your backside as you are running away screaming with fear. The poll that I created is anonymous, so I have no means to check if your telling a lie or not. All I said is that you belong to that noisy majority who think people like me should be shot.

One final note: I know it is late night in America and early morning in Europe, but here it is still the hours before lunch time. I wish you a good night, my friends in Europe (esp. Switzerland) a good morning and if there is anybody in Indonesia or Malaysia Selamat makan hari tengah!
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Ahhh, back from vacation and I see you're babbling on as usual, making self-deprecating comments about your "poor foreign devil" self and making statements that only msfe/wild could understand...

Well, I don't know how to convince you that I didn't vote for you to get shot. If you don't believe me, too bad, so sad....

I am trembling with fear at the thought of your blowpipe and "spicy" arrows. I bet you use that line a lot with women, don't you, you rascal? I'm sure they too run away screaming with fear at the thought of having one up their backsides....

As far as the Guardian making "excellent reading," you are absolutely right. Whenever I need a good laugh I only have to click on one of msfe's links and presto! I'm laughing as hard as Saddam listening to one of his citizens being tortured to death.

As far as my babbling not being inspiring, it is not meant to be. Inspiration cannot come to those with closed minds detached from reality. All that is left to you is numbing reinforcement of your clouded beliefs, which msfe/wild and those like him are only happy to provide.

Nasi goreng - delicious!:)
 
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The US and Australia are both as "guilty" as Germany, or, if you insist, Indonesia.
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You need to quantify this statement.

Certainly the US does have blood on its hands. But are you suggesting the US is on the same moral plane as Nazi Germany?
 
Happaboy,

Get off your high horse.

It might surprise you that most countries in the world have blood on their hands. Why - even uncle sam murdered most of the red Indians (True Americans) for their land.

Yesterday Red Indians, today - anywhere where there is oil?
So don't hold America up to be the good guy. The fact that people died is enough to class a country as one with blood on it's hands: not the number of people killed.

So yes, Uncle Sam is up their with the rest of the murderers in history. I repeat, no country has clean hands or deserves the moral high ground.

Is Korea next for invasion by Uncle sam, or will the fact that its' got nuclear weapons( and might fight back) and no oil have a bearing on events?

:eek:
 
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And Australia, forgive me, may be "western" in that sense, but whatever culture there is has been brought in by Asian immigrants. That's a simple and undeniable fact, let's face it.
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the thing is it is NOT a fact, therefore it is COMPLETELY deniable.

you really are vying for the award of greatest ignoramous i've ever talked with.

how many times do i need to explain to you that you have ZERO understanding of what constitutes culture?

your entire argument seems to be

" australia doesn't have MY culture (or a culture i like) therefore it has NO culture"

too stupid to comment on really.


complete and utter bullshit.

COMPLET AND UTTER BULLSHIT

NON-ENGLISH SPEAKING ORIGINS

1991.
(first generation, second generation)

Italy
253,332
326,989

(Former) Yugoslavia
160,479
120,671

Greece
136,028
150,913

Viet Nam
121,813
25,105

Germany
111,975
137,621

Netherlands
94,692
139,567

China
77,799
28,580

Philippines(c)
73,144
22,587

Malaysia
71,665
23,103

Lebanon
68,787
67,453

Poland
68,496
53,161

India(c)
60,598
36,801

Hong Kong
57,510
14,330

Malta
53,858
76,588

Sri Lanka(c)
37,263
12,262

Egypt
33,140
29,017

Indonesia
32,688
14,966

Fiji
30,100
11,678

Turkey
27,770
14,659

Hungary
27,046
24,273

Chile
24,042
7,137

Singapore(c)
24,021
9,537

Cyprus
22,031
20,157

Austria
21,586
25,642

Korea
20,383
2,514

out of the total of 3 milion, TWO MILLION are from direct european non-english ancestry.

and their numbers also arrived here much sooner than the asian immigration.

there goes your BS 'no culture were it not for asians' theory...

(unless you want to be officially awarded your HD in Ignorance by claiming that countries like Italy and Greece, for example, have "no culture"... )
 
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Happaboy,
Get off your high horse.
It might surprise you that most countries in the world have blood on their hands. Why - even uncle sam murdered most of the red Indians (True Americans) for their land.
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that was the british and the spanish...

in today's America native americans have tax privileges, land and legal preferences, for example, they have advantages to open casinos no other group in America has.
 
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So yes, Uncle Sam is up their with the rest of the murderers in history. I repeat, no country has clean hands or deserves the moral high ground.
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Does it count that America is the country with greatest individual freedom in the world? A true open society? The most democratic country in the world, notwithstanding the neo-hippy pro-Saddam propaganda in the world media?
 
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