How to cut down crime drastically imo

Exactly right. In this situation the shooter needs to have good clean shots, be able to shoot staight in a high stress situation, and then know the precise moment to dial it back. Real tough to do. Most gun owners are not capable of this which is why I have concerns about CC permits. Hitting a target at the range isn't quite the same as this type situation.

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I see this as a tough call. Clearly, you have the right to use deadly force in this situation, but you have to ask how reasonable it is. As satisfying as it is to see these punks get shot and later arrested, it could easily have had tragic consequences, for example if they had returned fire and hit someone. It was a fairly crowded place and one of his shots could also have hit someone accidentally, for example someone walking by on the sidewalk.

Also, I note that his last shots through the doorway took place as the robbers were fleeing. Arguably they posed no threat at that time. If he had killed them, he mght well be facing charges, and certainly would if Obama, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson got involved. He would also be looking at a civil lawsuit.

On the other hand, the punks could have decided to herd everyone into a back room, rape the women and then kill everyone. As I said, tough call.
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Exactly right. In this situation the shooter needs to have good clean shots, be able to shoot staight in a high stress situation, and then know the precise moment to dial it back. Real tough to do. Most gun owners are not capable of this which is why I have concerns about CC permits. Hitting a target at the range isn't quite the same as this type situation.
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CC permits can be issued with training. I personally believe that every woman should be competent with a .22

Might make a potential rapist think twice. As it stands here in Illinois, if you shot a rapist dead in a parking deck, you are going to catch a gun charge. Illinois takes a dim view on gun charges. This is personal to me because I have walked countless women to their cars for fear of assault. If they had some training, and were comfortable with a .22, they could at least have a chance at defense.

Right now, not so much.
 
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CC permits can be issued with training. I personally believe that every woman should be competent with a .22

Might make a potential rapist think twice. As it stands here in Illinois, if you shot a rapist dead in a parking deck, you are going to catch a gun charge. Illinois takes a dim view on gun charges. This is personal to me because I have walked countless women to their cars for fear of assault. If they had some training, and were comfortable with a .22, they could at least have a chance at defense.

Right now, not so much.
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I agree. Lot's of training and a extensive background check, and then more training. Did I mention training? Lot's of training.
 
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I agree. Lot's of training and a extensive background check, and then more training. Did I mention training? Lot's of training.
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Mos def. But right now, Illinois does not even give that option. A gun charge in this state can ruin your life, no joke.

Maybe one day......

I have friends in Austin, and lately they have really been pulling on me. I only stay for one reason.
 
I moved to an area where I see about one black person over the span of a month.. I don't need a gun. Occasionally some Mexicans stab each other but it's usually about 2-3am when that stuff happens, I'm asleep by 10pm... They are keeping it quiet but the kids at the university here have been ripping the blacks a new one. They come to town on weekends to sell drugs and pimp. One of them got gutted, he attacked some guys and one put him through the air and another one cut his belly in flight! His guts were all over the place but they got him to a horsepistol and he's probably back in LA sucking up disability money.
 
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I moved to an area where I see about one black person over the span of a month.. I don't need a gun. Occasionally some Mexicans stab each other but it's usually about 2-3am when that stuff happens, I'm asleep by 10pm... They are keeping it quiet but the kids at the university here have been ripping the blacks a new one. They come to town on weekends to sell drugs and pimp. One of them got gutted, he attacked some guys and one put him through the air and another one cut his belly in flight! His guts were all over the place but they got him to a horsepistol and he's probably back in LA sucking up disability money.
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Just curious. Since your user name is only one 8 ("Eight") rather than the conventional two, does it represent the Heil or the Hitler? Either way, it must have been a high price for you to pay for just a bit of added nuance, eh?
 
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I happen to believe in the sanctity of life. And like your beloved Chris Christie, I also believe that everyone can be redeemed.

"Thou shalt not kill"--pretty much my bottom line.
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You're pro-life?
 
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Gosh, I wonder where this is going...
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Was just curious. He said the believes in the sanctity of life. Fair question no? Isn't it also fair to ask a conservative who is pro-life if they are pro-war?
 
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...Isn't it also fair to ask a conservative who is pro-life if they are pro-war?
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Not to mention pro-capital punishment...

One point of view seems to be more context driven, whereas the other just seems rather inconsistent. Guess which is which.
 
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