How to become a prop trader being a foreigner and a music graduate?

It is possible, I know of people whom have done it. If the employer likes you they will sponsor you.

It is not disregarding or violating any laws.

Good Luck
 
keeping a glimmer of hope at all times is good and I'm doing i

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things..." remember Andy's line form "Shawshank Redemption"?

but i will add to it some clarification: One should only hope, when one does it himself.

which means:

1. do not hope that all so-called mentors will teach you how to trade ... (if they knew how to make money trading they would make money themselves)

2. do not hope that some one will bring you to America.

3. etc, etc...

Self-reliance is the only thing in life can that gives you a glimmer of hope.

That's why Andy himself dug it for 28 years.
 
You should learn by yourself. Trial and error. No one will teach you a winning concept... Move to the US when you're successful. Start trading with virtual or small money and see how it goes.
 
Prop trading is useless if you think they will teach you how to make money... they won't

If you hope that they will sponsor your visa - they are also useless...they won't

If you what to get to USA, then get to USA on the tourist visa, and then do what everybody does who wants to stay here.... just stay

Same thing with trading - if you want to trade - just trade... actually you can do that in Kazahstan as well. And given the difference in time you can play piano during the day those making a living (it is difficult to trade on empty stomach) and then trade at night...


Caution. This is completely wrong. Real prop firms teach working edges.
 
Caution. This is completely wrong. Real prop firms teach working edges.

Probably true. I like the bullet point style so:
1) The upside of a prop firm is that you communicate with the fellow traders
2) You get an experienced mentor watching your steps

The reasons why it is a big challenge for me to get into a prop would be:
1) A lot of prop firms are desensetized by the general public, most part of which thinks that trading is easy and lucrative
2) Only 1% out of 100% become successful

How they would try to overcome these problems would be:
1) Try to play along the thought of easy money and sell useless strategies, books, courses etc.
2) To not embark on the project of discovering that 1% and just accept those who already have a positive traction.

What I offer is
1) My traction record in music. I was sponsored by Charles Wall scholarship in the UK. By the full scholarship at the school. President scholarship at the Uni. Bear in mind that I'm a foreigner (costs are higher. On a side note, English is my second language).
Got 1st prize in a composers competition. Played at various venues (have recordings if you want to hear me play)
2) Was able to overcome hardships with health normal people would consider to be too tough.
3) Practised 15 years for 4-8 hours a day.
4) constantly working on myself
5) I never forget those who help me. I understand that most people, when they are alright, forget about other people who got them out of trouble. I do my best in recognizing practical aid and determining the appropriate practical response.
 
Probably true. I like the bullet point style so:
1) The upside of a prop firm is that you communicate with the fellow traders
2) You get an experienced mentor watching your steps

The reasons why it is a big challenge for me to get into a prop would be:
1) A lot of prop firms are desensetized by the general public, most part of which thinks that trading is easy and lucrative
2) Only 1% out of 100% become successful

How they would try to overcome these problems would be:
1) Try to play along the thought of easy money and sell useless strategies, books, courses etc.
2) To not embark on the project of discovering that 1% and just accept those who already have a positive traction.

What I offer is
1) My traction record in music. I was sponsored by Charles Wall scholarship in the UK. By the full scholarship at the school. President scholarship at the Uni. Bear in mind that I'm a foreigner (costs are higher. On a side note, English is my second language).
Got 1st prize in a composers competition. Played at various venues (have recordings if you want to hear me play)
2) Was able to overcome hardships with health normal people would consider to be too tough.
3) Practised 15 years for 4-8 hours a day.
4) constantly working on myself
5) I never forget those who help me. I understand that most people, when they are alright, forget about other people who got them out of trouble. I do my best in recognizing practical aid and determining the appropriate practical response.

Some practical suggestions---rather than the mostly nonsensical moronic advice like "teach yourself" and "spend months starring at charts" you will get on this board. all the greats had mentors and teachers. What u do with this advice is up to you----

Roy nie;;derhoffe:r is a leading hedge fund manager. He is also an accomplished musician.

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http://toptradersunplugged.com/roy-...ing_wp_cron=1435422719.7700359821319580078125

If you are serious And really smart
Perhaps there could be some synergy-- why not drop him a line. He may need an intern or something. Good luck. surf
 
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Are you able to get employment as a pianist and trade on the side?

No, the private teaching market is extremely oversaturated and a school teacher's salary is like 3 dollars an hour full time with no career perspectives. On top of that, working a full time job is impossible if you are serious about trading.

Some practical suggestions---rather than the mostly nonsensical moronic advice like "teach yourself" and "spend months starring at charts" you will get on this board. all the greats had mentors and teachers. What u do with this advice is up to you----

Roy nie;;derhoffe:r is a leading hedge fund manager. He is also an accomplished musician.

.




http://toptradersunplugged.com/roy-...ing_wp_cron=1435422719.7700359821319580078125

If you are serious And really smart
Perhaps there could be some synergy-- why not drop him a line. He may need an intern or something. Good luck. surf


I did write a short message to Roy, thanks.
Regarding the moronic advices, they are true in a sense that everything comes with a hard and smart labour.
However, the luckiest people out of many tend to assign a huge deal of this luck to something that they worked for.
 
Dear colleagues,

Greetings to you all from the sunny Kazakhstan.
This is my first post.

I am a graduate from a famous British music college. However, continuing with music is not currently set in my plans.
My current interest is in finding a way of getting into a prop trading firm (so I could have a mentor beside me) in the US.

Problem is, they
1) require some maths background of which I have none since mid-school.
2) they would need a strong incentive to sponsor a visa for a foreigner (because they could find anyone as good as me in the US).

I feel very unfortunate that trading is not developed in my country.
But, I always keep a positive mind towards a lucky opportunity.
Life, as you know, is about sustaining failures even if doing things right.

Would love to hear from you, guys. Been a long time lurker over here.

Best wishes,

Skatuka

In "The Education of a Speculator" Victor Niederhoffer talks about asking a colleague to code to the motion/ waves of music....
 
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