How they really made lots of money...

Quote from Kevin Schmit:

Simon didn't even own Medallion fund until Jan 1, 1991.
Including 1990, a 55% year, distort's the Rentec track
record. And 35.6% ? Where did you get that figure? It
is a few percent high, above even Rentec's self reported
figures.

Rentec was founded in 1982. Why do you leave the years
1982 to 1989 out of the track record? And you forgot to
include Equimetrics, or the mortgage backed fund, or a
few other funds that crashed and were quietly folded.



It was 20% for much of that period, genius. Where are
you getting your information?



Average annual return on all public money managed by
Rentec, 1982 to present, including all funds open to the
public, before fees, is under 30%. And that is self reported,
it has not been audited.

For a trader, gullibility is not an advantageous personality
trait.

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I get all the data from the following web sites:

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/54/5GZ7.html

http://www.turtletrader.com/trader-simons.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Harris_Simons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_Technologies

http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/printer_1000article_10005996.shtml

If memory serves, the inception time for Medallion Fund was late 1988. It may be the reason that most people cited the annual performance of this fund starting at 1989.

You may be able to find more updated information by using GOOGLE. Just search for the keywords: James Simons Medallion
 
Quote from omcate:


If memory serves, the inception time for Medallion Fund was late 1988. It may be the reason that most people cited the annual performance of this fund starting at 1989.

Being an old man, I have a bad memory:D

The inception time for Medallion Fund was March 1988. Should double-check by using Google, before opening my big mouth.:(
 
Quote from gkishot:

How people's money can leverage their 20% return? It's still the same 20%. This guys are not in some ponzi scheme with more and more people pooling their money to make very rich just a few.
The "leverage" comes from getting more profits with less investment.

More profits since you are investing other people' money, and not providing all the investing capital yourself.

Less investment since your investment is only the cost to run an office. Most hedge-funds have small offices with less than 10 employees.
 
Quote from omcate:
I get all the data from the following web sites:
Much of what Simons says in interviews is misdirection,
pure and simple. His public statements are rife with
contradictions, obfuscations, inside jokes, and nonsense.
Rentec is VERY secretive. You can't rely on what you can
find out with a Google search.


Quote from omcate:

the inception time for Medallion Fund was Mar 1988.

Yes, as Axcom run by Elwyn Berlekamp. Berlekamp did
not sell his interest to Rentec until Dec 31, 1990. Berlekamp,
C. Shannon's reseach assistant, was the brains behind
the funds trading style. At that time Simons was running
longer term factor models (fundamentals) in his main
fund, which I think was called Limroy. That fund started
before Rentec, in 1978 and then after Axcom changed to
Medallion, you never heard of it.

That happens to a lot of Simons' funds. The mortgage
fund was called Matrix. Besides Equimetrics, there was
a long/short fund that ran from 1995 to 1998 I think,
and then was folded. There was a venture cap fund
started right at the exact peak of the tech boom. Where
is that one now? And don't forget the internal fund-of-
funds, for which Simons claimed higher risk-adjusted
returns than for Medallion itself. The list goes on...

Axcom/Medallion started at 20% incentive, not 44%.
The high fees came later, when it could barely be called
a public fund. It has been closed to new money since
1993, and the last of the outside money was given back
at the end of 2005.


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Quote from omcate:

Should double-check by using Google, before opening
my big mouth.:(
If you want your lies straight from the horse's mouth,
instead of via Google, the man himself is giving a talk
in Paris this coming Wednesday evening.

I see you are in NYC. Paris is a short flight. This venue
is where he has dropped the best hints in the past,
maybe because so few of his local rivals attend.


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Quote from crgarcia:

The "leverage" comes from getting more profits with less investment.

More profits since you are investing other people' money, and not providing all the investing capital yourself.

Less investment since your investment is only the cost to run an office. Most hedge-funds have small offices with less than 10 employees.

Yes, the profits are bigger but they are splitted between all members in proportion to everyone's contribution. So where is the leverage?

People didn't make Warren Buffet richer by giving him their money. On the contrary he made people richer by producing those returns for them.
 
I'm no expert on Buffet but I read that he traded a lot of covered calls on companies that he owned a big piece of and knew the management well.
 
Quote from maxpi:

I'm no expert on Buffet but I read that he traded a lot of covered calls on companies that he owned a big piece of and knew the management well.

I doubt that covered calls helped him boost his returns. He might have used them simply to smooth out the volatility.
 
Quote from Kevin Schmit:

If you want your lies straight from the horse's mouth,
instead of via Google, the man himself is giving a talk
in Paris this coming Wednesday evening.

I see you are in NYC. Paris is a short flight. This venue
is where he has dropped the best hints in the past,
maybe because so few of his local rivals attend.


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I cut and paste the following statements from the web site:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_Technologies

Renaissance Technologies is a hedge fund management company. Renaissance was started by Jim Simons in 1982. Its $6 billion Medallion Fund has averaged 37% annual returns, after fees, since 1989, and is considered in the industry to be the most consistently successful hedge fund, yielding returns ten percentage points higher than legendary investors Bruce Kovner, George Soros, or Paul Tudor Jones.

If the above information were a complete lie, should SEC, Bruce Kovner, George Soros, Paul Tudor Jones, etc., have taken legal actions against Renaissance Technologies ? They should at least ask this web site to change the above statements.

Is James Simons a close friend to all of them ?

I believe what you said, (well maybe not 100% YET:p). But I am a little shocked.
 
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