How The American Empire Is Self-Destructing (just like the ones before us)

Wallet said:
The movement to strip our culture from it’s historical Christian beginning started in earnest in the 60’s.
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For reasons of habit and outdated tradition politicians place their hand on the Bible for swearing to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution swearing to uphold the Bible.

You'd be more on point blaming evangelicals rather than liberals for losing your God and finding people like Trump.
 
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TreeFrogTrader said:
We absolutely do have a state religion that is being promoted in schools.

Secular Humanism - which is every bit as much a world view and a religious belief system as many other "denominations."
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Why should religion be taught in schools outside of History class? It does not belong there.

You are free to go to a religion school if you think God commands you to replace science with fantasy.
 
Wallet said:
the breakup of the traditional family role models are the underlying causes of most current social ills.
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/\ This, fueled by LBJ's Great Society has done more harm to blacks and America in general than anything else. Fathers replaced by entitlement programs, yeah that's a good idea.:rolleyes:
 
Wallet,

You and and the rest of evangelicals lost all credibility by voting and rooting for a guy whose whole life stands against everything you claimed to hold dear.

The biggest benefit of Trump presidency was that it exposed evangelicals as biggest hypocrites. I used to hold lots of respect for them, while I disagreed with their agenda. Now they nothing but hacks.
 
RedDuke said:
Wallet,

You and and the rest of evangelicals lost all credibility by voting and rooting for a guy whose whole life stands against everything you claimed to hold dear.

The biggest benefit of Trump presidency was that it exposed evangelicals as biggest hypocrites. I used to hold lots of respect for them, while I disagreed with their agenda. Now they nothing but hacks.
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And we were supposed to vote for Hillary who stands against everything we hold dear and openly showed disgust towards evangelicals?

We didn’t vote for Trump the man, we voted for the platform he represented, namely pro-life, religious protection and judicial conservatism.

In the primaries I liked Cruz. If I could have my pick I vote Mike Huckabee. Trump won the primary, with the platform stated above.

Not saying you, but the Left’s hatred of the evangelical right is because what we hold dear is in direct opposition to today’s liberal agenda. That’s why you’ve seen a shift from most all protestant denominations towards the GOP. Go back 50 years and they were split pretty evenly between the parties. Then the Democratic party was seen as the working man’s friend, but the DNC’s focus has shifted from blue collar to fringe and minority focus, most of the values of the fringe left are in direct opposition to Christian values.
 
stu said:
For reasons of habit and outdated tradition politicians place their hand on the Bible for swearing to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution swearing to uphold the Bible.

You'd be more on point blaming evangelicals rather than liberals for losing your God and finding people like Trump.
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I do place a lot of blame on the Laodicean church, but those are internal problems not the external threats posed by today’s liberal agenda.
 
Wallet said:
And we were supposed to vote for Hillary who stands against everything we hold dear and openly showed disgust towards evangelicals?

We didn’t vote for Trump the man, we voted for the platform he represented, namely pro-life, religious protection and judicial conservatism.

In the primaries I liked Cruz. If I could have my pick I vote Mike Huckabee. Trump won the primary, with the platform stated above.

Not saying you, but the Left’s hatred of the evangelical right is because what we hold dear is in direct opposition to today’s liberal agenda. That’s why you’ve seen a shift from most all protestant denominations towards the GOP. Go back 50 years and they were split pretty evenly between the parties. Then the Democratic party was seen as the working man’s friend, but the DNC’s focus has shifted from blue collar to fringe and minority focus, most of the values of the fringe left are in direct opposition to Christian values.
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You either have morals and beliefs or you do not. You can not cherry pick when you stand by your beliefs and when you can set them aside. No one can get a little bit pregnant.

Trump won because of people like me. Many Democrats were disgusted with Hillary and did not vote. My reasoning for Trump loosing in 2016 was that he would not get huge evangelical support. Clearly I was wrong.

So evangelicals set their morals and beliefs aside, where us liberals (enough to loose election) refused to vote for Hillary.

Same mistake will not be repeated again.
 
El OchoCinco said:
Why should religion be taught in schools outside of History class? It does not belong there.

You are free to go to a religion school if you think God commands you to replace science with fantasy.
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Thus my comment about the state imposing their secular humanist religious beliefs in every aspect of school. The issue is no longer about teaching religion in school. That has been settled. It is about the government believing that everything must be free from religion. ie. that the state believes it has an affirmative obligation to hunt down and remove any vestiges of traditional religion and remove them and replace with Secular Humanism-the New Religion.
 
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