How private clinics/doctors will replace the income lost to healthcare plan?

[Angrycat]

Quote from KINGOFSHORTS:

I blame the republicans for putting up someone like Bush Jr up as president and then putting up someone like McCain/Palin ticket up.


I do not like this big government crap but Our mistake and until the GOP decides to fix the problem we will be stuck with this shit. (those with the voting card that has Republican on it)

Was putting a dimwit for president (Bush Jr who had no place running for election) and then sticking some white trash alaskan as VP and someone who should be retired as prez.

Romney would have been the right candidate.

Well, I don't like ANY of the politicians you mentioned. What does it say about the Dems that they couldn't pull out a candidate that could beat Bush?

I also don't like Bush I. I think choosing him for VP was the biggest mistake Reagan ever made. Everyone but Jeb in that family is a disaster - paying lip service to liberty while expanding socialism in this country. Talk like a libertarian, act like Obama.

Romney is responsible for the disastrous socialist healthcare reform in Massachusetts.

The best combination has been Reagan + Dem congress and Clinton + Repub congress. This One party rule thing always leads us to the same place - bigger government and less liberty.

end rant.

 

[Scataphagos]

Quote from Angrycat:

"... Why is it the American middle class thinks it has the right to live like kings on other people's dimes?

Isn't the promise of exactly that how Obama got elected?

And to think... I risked my life in the Vietnam war so that STUPID FUCK, GREEDY, SIT-ON-YOUR-ASS-WATCHING-AMERICAN IDOL VOTERS could vote for that...

 

[Dr. Zhivodka]

First of all you are terribly misinformed if you think an Oncologist is reimbursed 1million per month for a terminal patient.

With regard to the dog diet...it think you may be on to something here.

Dog Diet:
Eat Alpo 3 times per day
Go for a walk everyday
While on walk shit in someones yard.

Presto ...you'll live for ever.

Quote from spinn:

As for cancer, why should a DR get paid $1 million a month to treat someone who dies when the DR knew the patient was terminal before treatment was even started?

If DRs did what is known to be right.....most people would never get sick.

How often does your dog get sick? twice in its lifetime...maybe? DRs do more to make people sick than they do to make them healthy....because they are paid more when people are on the edge of death for twenty years than they do when they are healthy.

 

[spinn]

Quote from Angrycat:

What? So it's the doctor's fault that patients eat junk food all day and never scrape themselves off the couch?



No....but most DRs will tell you not to supplement or take anything other than a prescription if you do not feel well.


First of all, no doctor is paid anywhere near that much. Second, if the doctor doesn't offer the patient the treatment, he may be sued for malpractice. Third, oncologists have a lot of specialized knowledge - knowledge which cost them 100 hour residencies which followed $100,000 school loans to acquire. If the doctor can't make enough money to pay off his school loans and make the years of hardship and sacrifice translate into a living standard that makes it all worthwhile, they won't become oncologists and you'll all just croak from cancer.


Wrong....the last few months of ones life often cost $1 million per month.....most of this is spent dealing with the side affects, such as stroke, of the chemo which never was going to work.....it is profiteering the sick.



Why is it the American middle class thinks it has the right to live like kings on other people's dimes?

Who said I expect Drs to not be paid? I want DRs to do the things that work.....not hand out lipitor and prozac like candy.



And that would be?

Entire forums are dedicated to what works and what does not....a DRs incentive is to make patients sick at worst or cover up conditions best.



You can't do this basic math and you're on a trading forum? No wonder so many of you are shit traders.

How long does your dog live? How long do you live? You do realize that long term interest rates are higher because more can go wrong over a longer period of time, yeah?

You are right about one thing - 90% of all of your lifetime healthcare expenditure occurs at the very end of your life. And guess what? As the patient, you can refuse that care. The doctor will be sued if he refuses to treat you.

Take some responsibility for your sorry self and stop blaming everyone else for your french fry, television habit and insulin habit.

Regarding the last statement..... are you drunk? A dog's life is shorter but one would believe their health issues would also be accelerated.

Take responmsiblity for myself????????

My diet is nearly perfect, almost all natural. I work out 5 days a week and do more to take care of myself than some hack on ET (with relatives who are DRs) that makes dozens of page long posts per week.

Anyone who thinks DRs are honorable and do anything close to what is in the best interest of their patients is a sheep or benefiting form the medical systems while it bankrupts everyone but you.

 

[Dr. Zhivodka]

You've had a terrible personal experience. The cynicism and anger absolutely poor off the page when you write.

My condolences.

Quote from spinn:

Regarding the last statement..... are you drunk? A dog's life is shorter but one would believe their health issues would also be accelerated.

Take responmsiblity for myself????????

My diet is nearly perfect, almost all natural. I work out 5 days a week and do more to take care of myself than some hack on ET (with relatives who are DRs) that makes dozens of page long posts per week.

Anyone who thinks DRs are honorable and do anything close to what is in the best interest of their patients is a sheep or benefiting form the medical systems while it bankrupts everyone but you.

 

[spinn]

Quote from Dr. Zhivodka:

First of all you are terribly misinformed if you think an Oncologist is reimbursed 1million per month for a terminal patient.

With regard to the dog diet...it think you may be on to something here.

Dog Diet:
Eat Alpo 3 times per day
Go for a walk everyday
While on walk shit in someones yard.

Presto ...you'll live for ever.

My post wasnt entirely clear....the last few months of ones life often bill out at $1 million per month as one deals with the strokes, 24/7 care, surgeries and other nightmares that accompany the chemo that the oncologist knew was not going to work.

Alpo diet... thats funny!!!!

Peopel just have no idea how corrupt or incompetent the DRs in this country are.

 

[spinn]

Quote from Dr. Zhivodka:

You've had a terrible personal experience. The cynicism and anger absolutely poor off the page when you write.

My condolences.

I can not deny that and post because everyone should be furious.

My father was diagnosed with cancer, the DRs told him he was terminal and going to die.

The DR then proceeded to prescibe him the chemo that killed him right in front of us over the course of a year.

The DR would not return any phone calls, sent us to another DR who butchered a surgery and then gave my father Michale Jackson levels of sedatives that caused i=him to be semi comatose for 3 days so he would not remember any of it.

Then they billed us for a total of about $5 million, all when he had no chance of being cured, per their initial diagnosis.

My brother in law was playing basketball and became dehydrated and passed out. The DRs gave him 100 times the amount of whatever they give people for that. He will probably be in a wheelchair for life, and the DRs are making money curing what they caused in the first place.

These stories are not all that uncommon.

What I wonder is.......why isnt anyone else mad? I can only imagine that is because DRs do these sorts of things on a daily basis?

 

[Dr. Zhivodka]

Ok...However the VAST VAST majority of oncolisgt are not just going through the motions to paid. They are moral obigated to try everything they can to keep this person alive. Until and of course there's absolutely no hope and then it's teams job to keep the patient as comfortable as possible until the invetable comes.

Quote from spinn:

My post wasnt entirely clear....the last few months of ones life often bill out at $1 million per month as one deals with the strokes, 24/7 care, surgeries and other nightmares that accompany the chemo that the oncologist knew was not going to work.

Alpo diet... thats funny!!!!

Peopel just have no idea how corrupt or incompetent the DRs in this country are.

 

[Dr. Zhivodka]

I'm sorry but I can't speak to either of those cases without reading their charts.

Again my condolences.

Quote from spinn:

I can not deny that and post because everyone should be furious.

My father was diagnosed with cancer, the DRs told him he was terminal and going to die.

The DR then proceeded to prescibe him the chemo that killed him right in front of us over the course of a year.

The DR would not return any phone calls, sent us to another DR who butchered a surgery and then gave my father Michale Jackson levels of sedatives that caused i=him to be semi comatose for 3 days so he would not remember any of it.

Then they billed us for a total of about $5 million, all when he had no chance of being cured, per their initial diagnosis.

My brother in law was playing basketball and became dehydrated and passed out. The DRs gave him 100 times the amount of whatever they give people for that. He will probably be in a wheelchair for life, and the DRs are making money curing what they caused in the first place.

These stories are not all that uncommon.

What I wonder is.......why isnt anyone else mad? I can only imagine that is because DRs do these sorts of things on a daily basis?

 

[wave]

It's become a business, a greedy profit center. You are their customer and the docs will pump you with meds and chop you every which way as long as they can keep you pumping in the $$$ for their profit center.