How much $ did you lose until you made $ trading ?

I know we're having a lot of fun trashing jack and his ass fairy's, at your expense zanek, but below is some of the best information on the thread, I hope you're taking note of it ...
Quote from elomich:

I lost a few thousand, which was a lot for me. And this is assuming I'm not done losing yet...:D

What I wish I had done was trade as small as possible for as long as possible. Trading is a grind, plain and simple, in my opinion. Paper trading was useful in teaching me some basics on how the markets work, but once I started to throw real money down I really stared to learn.

Just be patient, or put yourself in a position where you can be patient, and trade so small it almost feels like it's not worthwhile.
... and that's just how ET is.

There's invaluable information here, communicated from trader-to-trader, but you're always are going to have to wade through the muck to find it (just like mining for Gold). :)

Sincerely
 
Quote from jack hershey:

...Last Q: have you ever heard of the "calm before the storm" in market parlance? Something bigger and badder than a Bendededge?

lol!

All ready for the light show... They have prepared a special presentation for us too. I hear they are bringing out some of the very large fireworks...

"Cascading Volatility Expanders"...

We are in for a real treat.

Should warn the kids though to have shades on as they will be expecially bright this time in the evening...
 
Quote from ehorn:

lol!

All ready for the light show... They have prepared a special presentation for us too. I hear they are bringing out some of the very large fireworks...

"Cascading Volatility Expanders"...

We are in for a real treat.

Should warn the kids though to have shades on as they will be expecially bright this time in the evening...
Looking at your last SHORT CALL, you'd beter hope something happens, LOL. :D

Just to keep the thread on-topic, ehorn has lost $1,000 per contract on his trading call. :p

P.S. Sounds like "another jack hershey success story" to me. :eek:
 

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Quote from jack hershey:

Thank you for reading my posts in every thread I infiltrate.

And thank you for your pertinent and focussed question.

Bentedge, I really enjoy your use of convolute given your handle (a skiing term, I presume).

Your instructions to me are nice but I am just answering Q's and not pontificating.

It may not be a good idea to answer all the different questions the OP asked in one thread. For this thread, I couldn't be responsive since the Q did not apply to me. I liked your response though; it is ringing a bell. We poth post about OT things.

Tell me if the Q of the OP applies to you; if so then, what are the facts. Did you turn around your trading when you started using principles? if so what ones? Do you follow a routine? Is it still inductive or did you switch to being deductitive? If so what was it that came to mind that convinced you to drop induction and take up deduction?

What first recourses did you find you stopped using? What caused you to develop the long term memory that replaced your original learned first recourses?

How do you handlke internal formations, i.e., those that are not forwarding a trend. Do you feel non trending non internal bars or formation need special handlking? If so why?

How do you handle volatility changes in trends? Are the methods different for each of the two cases?

Did you notice more than losing at first? Was there a period where B/E came to mind more than losing? Did you do wash trades during this B/E interval? If so did it help you get back on a even keel to become more Effective and efficient. What was the turning point in your mind's development that let you begin to put the pieces together to become more than a B/E trader?

I sort of broke out a few questions to keep from misunderstanding your upcoming replies. The neat careful answers you have gone through in the past propably is what helped support your great progress up to this point. it will be helpful to a lot of people in ET and almost all of them will not be judging you.

If you do not answer the Q's I'm sure others will.

You may be alone in your feeling of annoyance. No one has ever brought this up before.

Last Q: have you ever heard of the "calm before the storm" in market parlance? Something bigger and badder than a Bendededge?

Since you asked nicely, and it is relative to this thread, I will answer a few of your questions. You've obviously read some of my other posts in the pair trading journal and a few other places, so I'll indulge you a bit. Then, along with gucci, I will put you on ignore to go along with the handful of posters here that already reside there. Sidenote: gucci, come up for some air, man. You're going to suffocate down there.

I came to this particular thread to see what some folks answered. In my case, I took a little bit different route in that I started trading in the early 90's but with commodities. Over the course of a few years, I blew up twice (between $5k-$10K accounts.) Being short corn while it moves limit up 3 straight days against you is no fun. But it served a useful purpose - it taught me risk management and proper position sizing, and how leverage is a very sharp sword that cuts both ways.

I decided I wanted to work in the financial arena full-time, so I became a broker. It was there I learned 'how things really work.' I read voraciously, studied much, and eventually saw that one could 'beat the market.' My mantra wasn't what the standard broker preaches nowadays - "Buy and hold managed money and you'll do well over the long-term" but rather, "Let's buy the Sep MO 45 calls for $3 as I think we can punt 'em for $4.50 at some point next week." It was then that I learned to be profitable, albeit with primarily client's money, and even with the exorbitant commish that full-service brokers charge. That was over a period of a few years.

I was then offered a position with a hedge fund as an analyst/trader/pm. It was the late 90's, and like everyone, we shot the lights out in the bubble, even as I implored the managing partner that we had to hedge ourselves more. I moved onto another hedge fund which had an extremely strong track record, and it was there that I learned to trade momentum from the best I had ever seen. Momentum is not my particular style, but I learned from this outstanding trader that it's sometimes ok to buy CAT up $2 in a strong tape and sell it later in the day up $4. Spent about 9 yrs at the funds, all of them profitable, with the exception of 2002 where I think we were down about 2% for the year (learned to quit trying to pick bottoms.)

Which brings me to today, where I trade full-time for myself. I'll just reiterate what I've seen written on these pages many times, without the garbel you espouse about binary fractals or whatever the hell it is you're talking about. For intraday/short-term trading, own strong relative strength and be short weak relative strength. For example, in today's tape, the primary engines are obviously JPM, WFC, INTC, and a few others as tells, and it appears like a trend day is likely, ie. be longer more than one is short until proven otherwise. Be short things like the refiners (VLO,TSO,SUN) as hedges. Don't fight the tape ( l had to relearn that lesson just a few months ago.) Position size correctly and manage the risk - you can always be around to play another day. Put in the time and work hard in the off-hours and I'll find profitability during the trading hours. And as many here have said, and nothing is more true, only screen time and experience will truly teach one to be profitable. Trade small while you learn, but do it with real money, cause sim trading can't give you that pit in your gut when something is going horribly against you.

The latter part of that is off-topic, so I'll stop there. But in short, it took me about 5 years to learn, and hell, I learn and explore new stuff every single day.
 
Quote from ehorn:

meh.... I get by....
Wow!

Your trading was so good you didn't even have to pay commissions! *snort*

I see you're holding up the jack hershey standards of papertrading excellence as first presented to Elite Trader by spydertrader!

ROTFLMAO :p :D :)




BUSTED!!! :eek:
 

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Quote from bentedges:

The latter part of that is off-topic, so I'll stop there. But in short, it took me about 5 years to learn, and hell, I learn and explore new stuff every single day.
Thank you for your commentary.

jack hershey and his attendent ass fairy's have been rocked on their collective asses once again by another good, intelligent, trader. :D
 
Quote from Schleprock:

Your trading was so good you didn't even have to pay commissions!

I know it gets confusing. All those tabs and buttons and stuff. These are called "configuration settings" in Ninja Trader.

Unfortunately, I have to pay when I click on the Buy/Sell/Reverse buttons and my broker is sure to collect their commissions. I keep checking my statements and they are deducted. Fortunately, they are minimal. lol!
 
Quote from ehorn:

I know it gets confusing. All those tabs and buttons and stuff. These are called "configuration settings" in Ninja Trader.
Poor baby, I see you ran back pretty fast to defend your paper trading efforts. :D
Quote from ehorn:

Unfortunately, I have to pay when I click on the Buy/Sell/Reverse buttons and my broker is sure to collect their commissions. I keep checking my statements and they are deducted. Fortunately, they are minimal. lol!
LOL indeed. :p
 
I do not orient to hostility. It is useless and negative energy.

I thought if you are interested, we could walk-through a day in real time and discuss the routine I perform daily as I trade. You could do the same if you wish to.

Let me know if you are interested and we can arrange something.

peace.
 
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