How long to hold "profitable" leveraged ETF?

[murray t turtle]

That's where I think most people dislike these, of course on the flip side you could gain 2 or 3x faster

I just see it as no different as using margin, and perhaps even better as borrowing usually includes very high interests.

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Cash markets are important;
but bankers hardly ever call loans on 2 or 3X ETFs, + ETNs. As far as holding times =put a bunch of moving averages on charts-you may hit something. Wisdom is profitable to direct; the prospectus has a bunch of helpful charts...........................................

 

[murray t turtle]

Correct but that's true of ANY investment, not just leveraged ETF's...

It's just fundamental math and it applies to anything.

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Exactly 2or 3x gets it quicker , sometimes. Carl Ichan, investor, seems real concerned about ETFs bond funds-he almost all ways IS right + early. NOT a prediction

 

[murray t turtle]

That's where I think most people dislike these, of course on the flip side you could gain 2 or 3x faster

I just see it as no different as using margin, and perhaps even better as borrowing usually includes very high interests.

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Exactly;
+ some of the bigger banks go crazy on fees, add on charges, + fraud in some cases. That is why community banks, credit unions+ regional banks, ETFs do so much better

 

[Thingon1]

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Exactly;
+ some of the bigger banks go crazy on fees, add on charges, + fraud in some cases. That is why community banks, credit unions+ regional banks, ETFs do so much better

I guess for me its simply a matter of risk management.

- With ETF's I can go down to $0.
- With margin I can do down infinitely.

Also, MOST (not all) ETF's are quite diversified, which inherently reduces SOME risk. With margin I may be more inclined to go long on a million shares of Twitter...

 

[murray t turtle]

I guess for me its simply a matter of risk management.

- With ETF's I can go down to $0.
- With margin I can do down infinitely.

Also, MOST (not all) ETF's are quite diversified, which inherently reduces SOME risk. With margin I may be more inclined to go long on a million shares of Twitter...

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Exactly ,Trader T1;
with margin or most any bank loans, the bank can call the loan[force a sale] anytime they want.And a quick sale[forced sale] mostly means a price not good for the bank or borrower. So the bank may sue anyone for the balance due ,on a quick sale=standard operating precedure-not a prediction .And in many cases the bank of broker has to sell quick- if they dont- the regulators will make them sell quick .

Wow, Ciigroup+ big banks are down again maybe not even thier fault;
SPY + others have been overextended for a year of more- but its a election year, which can be bullish.NOT a prediction