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How long has everyone been trading?
- Thread starter miatamatt
- Start date
Oct 08
+ $800 since then (I have a day job)
I get better at it every year
+ $800 since then (I have a day job)
I get better at it every year
I started trading 4 yrs ago, didn't know anything about the market or anything. don't even know what is a bid/offer is. It's been a journey so far and I hope I will keep improving and still have the passion for trading in 10 yrs from now.
lost a ton of money and make a ton of money along the way. lucky to have postive pnl overall. I am pretty sure I traded over 100+ millions shares volumn in my career so far. getting better as a trader but still a lot of things I can improve on. Trading is not easy, have to fight each day to be a winner.
lost a ton of money and make a ton of money along the way. lucky to have postive pnl overall. I am pretty sure I traded over 100+ millions shares volumn in my career so far. getting better as a trader but still a lot of things I can improve on. Trading is not easy, have to fight each day to be a winner.
Started with 0 background in finance 5 years ago. Made a lot of money and I thought I was really good, but I was only lucky. Gave back almost all the money I made, but ALWAYS preserved my original account. Now luck is no longer a factor in my trading. My gains are smaller, but so is my risk. Trading is a fun job, but still a job...not going to be happy when I make money or sad when I lose money.
Some lessons learned in no particular order of importance:
1) To have an ego in the market is very expen$ive, you must decide if for you it is more important to be right or to make money.
2) It takes a lot of money to make little money...in other words day trading and making money fast might work for professionals, but never for the regualr guy.
3) Just because "investors" don't bet on the ponies they think that they are actually investing/trading, but they are just gambling. Unless you have an edge you are a gambler.
4) To keep your emotions out, you need a system even if it is for a longer time frame or even if it helps you to catch basic trends. Even if it is a simple mechanical system, but then again 99% of people do not have the discipline to follow their system. The thing, is that there is no point in trying to predict where the market will go tomorrow, no one can do that consistently.
5) Trading for a living is not a sprint, but a marathon. Unless you have the right psychology you will burn out, it is only a matter of time. Trading should let you buy the time to do OTHER things you want to do in your life. When your trading life is interfering with your personal life it's bad -very bad.
6) There is a HUGE industry trying to tell you about a product to BUY, a newsletter to subscribe, a secret to be discovered as long as you pay the $19.99 (or more). Guess what ? There are no financial gurus. No one knows anything and even if they say they know they still don't. No book, person or website will tell you exactly how to make money. This industry loves to bank on your HOPE to make money. Period.
7) Even if you read forums or people warn you about lessons or mistakes ultimately you will ignore them and you will make all the mistakes on your account. Your only objective is not to blow up your account while you going trough the learning curve. Your FIRST objective should not be to make money. As long as you have money you are always in time to make money. Totally OK! if you go flat/lose some for several months.
8) This is a full time job, either you do it or you don't. As many people say it takes 10+ years to become an expert at anything. Also one of the biggest reasons why traders fail is because they are undercapitalized, just like any other business. If you don't have money don't trade !
Everything written above is nothing more than my personal opinion. I am sure there is much more, but so far such principles helped me to become a full time trader.
Some lessons learned in no particular order of importance:
1) To have an ego in the market is very expen$ive, you must decide if for you it is more important to be right or to make money.
2) It takes a lot of money to make little money...in other words day trading and making money fast might work for professionals, but never for the regualr guy.
3) Just because "investors" don't bet on the ponies they think that they are actually investing/trading, but they are just gambling. Unless you have an edge you are a gambler.
4) To keep your emotions out, you need a system even if it is for a longer time frame or even if it helps you to catch basic trends. Even if it is a simple mechanical system, but then again 99% of people do not have the discipline to follow their system. The thing, is that there is no point in trying to predict where the market will go tomorrow, no one can do that consistently.
5) Trading for a living is not a sprint, but a marathon. Unless you have the right psychology you will burn out, it is only a matter of time. Trading should let you buy the time to do OTHER things you want to do in your life. When your trading life is interfering with your personal life it's bad -very bad.
6) There is a HUGE industry trying to tell you about a product to BUY, a newsletter to subscribe, a secret to be discovered as long as you pay the $19.99 (or more). Guess what ? There are no financial gurus. No one knows anything and even if they say they know they still don't. No book, person or website will tell you exactly how to make money. This industry loves to bank on your HOPE to make money. Period.
7) Even if you read forums or people warn you about lessons or mistakes ultimately you will ignore them and you will make all the mistakes on your account. Your only objective is not to blow up your account while you going trough the learning curve. Your FIRST objective should not be to make money. As long as you have money you are always in time to make money. Totally OK! if you go flat/lose some for several months.
8) This is a full time job, either you do it or you don't. As many people say it takes 10+ years to become an expert at anything. Also one of the biggest reasons why traders fail is because they are undercapitalized, just like any other business. If you don't have money don't trade !
Everything written above is nothing more than my personal opinion. I am sure there is much more, but so far such principles helped me to become a full time trader.
Quote from FutsTrader111:
Started 21 years ago in 1988.
Timeline
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1988-1999
Took life savings and put in 3 mutual funds. +578% return. Easiest trade of my life.
Mid 1999-Mid 2002
Did not trade.
Mid 2002 - today
Took 40% of capital and put back into mutual funds. +112% return since.
Took 30% of capital and have traded futures and stocks. Up +285% return since.
Worse drawdown -28%
Best drawup +1487%
Overall return +1156%
Best trade: YHOO $2.40 to $45 (+1775%)
Worst trade: RMBS $82 to $58 (-29%)
Ten Lessons
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1) Daytrading is for dummies
2) Holding is the game
3) No such thing as investing (since 1999)
4) Dividends can make you shitloads of money without having to work.
5) Short term capital gain taxes kill
6) Have a business plan. Follow rules.
7) Know fundamentals and technicals
8) Dont put too much faith in technical indicators. They are for idiots. Watch price. Thats all that matters.
9) Feel happy? Sell. See others unhappy? Buy.
10) Risk is reward in disguise.
10 Lessons +1
Regards
Johno
Quote from FutsTrader111:
Mid 2002 - today
Took 40% of capital and put back into mutual funds. +112% return since.
Took 30% of capital and have traded futures and stocks. Up +285% return since.
1) Daytrading is for dummies
2) Holding is the game
8) Dont put too much faith in technical indicators. They are for idiots.
Backing out the 1999 gambler's luck result, you are up +10.69% in eight years annualized on 30% capital and 5.6% in eight years annualized 40% of capital applied against 100% capital invested in fixed income for eight years.
Or your investing could be expressed as +397% return on 70% of capital for eight years = 34.7% annualized return on 100% of capital versus fixed income.
Very nice returns for a passive investor... but please don't accuse that of anything to do with high-end trading.
1) Day-trading is for experts. Either learn to be one, or concede the fact that you don't make the grade and leave it to those who can
2) holding is the game... while the market moves in your direction. hold too long, and you are the bag
3) see lesson #1
Hope to start this year. $15k in IRA, $5k in standard account.
Haven't got a clue what to do yet. Still reading and learning and looking at charts.
To mis-paraphrase Edison: I haven't failed, I have found 10,000 ways to not build a profitable trading system.
Haven't got a clue what to do yet. Still reading and learning and looking at charts.
To mis-paraphrase Edison: I haven't failed, I have found 10,000 ways to not build a profitable trading system.