How long does it take you to double your futures account balance as a day trader / scalper?

If you understand the current move on a higher time frame perspective, its is not so complicated to take day trades / scalps in the correct direction. This can lead to fast account growth. The issue is that mistakes are inevitably made especially if you are still learning and this is why its important to limit risk. If you don't think its possible to double your account day trading futures why even bother?

I am not talking about taking all your life savings and putting into an account and trying to double that. I am talking about an account size which you determine is sufficient to cover margin and inevitable draw down based on forward testing your ability to read the market. Someone trading $10,000 for 1 ES, or $1,000 for 1 MES should be able to grow the account pretty quickly if they actually know what they are doing.

I never said it was impossible, you said it's not that hard, big difference ...

Anyway, since its not that hard for you i expect you to have easily done it before?
 
I never said it was impossible, you said it's not that hard, big difference ...

Anyway, since its not that hard for you i expect you to have easily done it before?

In April I took a $1500 account to $4000 in 3 weeks trading MES and MGC intra day both Globex and RTH sessions. I then increased size a bit too fast and now I am in draw down. So obviously I need to slow down and not trade as aggressively. I want to hear from more experienced and consistent day traders how they go about increasing position size, and what are realistic accumulation rates.

I am also forward testing to see how often my reads are wrong and how many losses in a row I make which will allow me to be more intelligent about risk management/ position size and leverage.

Day trading futures is a different beast to swing trading etfs / stocks which I am used to.
 
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I’ve already x10 (500 -> 5000) an account in 20 days,
Then went bust on the 21th day.

A steady doubling time might be ...
-> 70 days at 1% average / day.
-> 139 days at 0.5% average / day.
-> 278 days at 0.25% average / day.
-> 555 days at 0.125% average / day.
...

You better compound at 0.125% / day for 10 years (x23),
Than to x10 in 20 days then go bust on the 21th (x0)

(I did x10 with sport betting)
 
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I've seen someone who brought a 35K account to 200K in 4 weeks. He sent me his trade blotter and account balance everyday, sometimes in the middle of the day while chatting. He was a scalper in stocks for 10 years at first but switched to NQ futures this year trading 1 or 2 contracts average and up to 4 contracts max. There's obviously liquidity and slippage issues to scaling up in these markets for this type of scalping.

I tried learning from him but it requires a lot of research and internalizing volume rhythms at micro time frames(sub 1 min and tick charts), while keeping up with general levels and patterns on a higher time frame such as 15mins. Caused an information overload for me and was hard to keep up. Was impossible to have win rates he had (90%ish).

Key word is this yr. Unprecedented volatility from Feb end to mid may 1st really .All you had to have was big cuts and let it fly as we were gryrating 50 pts on 5 mins at times . The last few weeks has been much choppier. He'll probably never make this returns again and i bet he is still swinging hard and has given some back . Thats what usually happens
 
Key word is this yr. Unprecedented volatility from Feb end to mid may 1st really .All you had to have was big cuts and let it fly as we were gryrating 50 pts on 5 mins at times . The last few weeks has been much choppier. He'll probably never make this returns again and i bet he is still swinging hard and has given some back . Thats what usually happens
hafez50 is watching it n trading it obviously. he is 100% correct here. it changed again already
 
I’ve already x10 (500 -> 5000) an account in 20 days,
Then went bust on the 21th day.

A steady doubling time might be ...
-> 70 days at 1% average / day.
-> 139 days at 0.5% average / day.
-> 278 days at 0.25% average / day.
-> 555 days at 0.125% average / day.
...

You better compound at 0.125% / day for 10 years (x23),
Than to x10 in 20 days then go bust on the 21th (x0)

(I did x10 with sport betting)

Ultimately we can only take what the market gives on a specific day and also your skill level.in capturing the rotations.

Hard to have a % gain target per day. Let's say you are trading ES or MES and have a 5 point stop /10-12 point TP (typical size rth rotation in recent weeks). With using the $1000 per MES contract your max loss per trade is 2.5%. You would need to be wrong about 36 times to go bust accounting for commission and having margin left. If your win rate is 50-60% you would accumulate at a decent rate. Also lots of trades can be scratched instead of full stop and some places if the HTF is setup you will get a bigger move that 10-12 points in your favor. As you get better scratch trades become more frequent instead of full stop increasing the win rate..
 
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Key word is this yr. Unprecedented volatility from Feb end to mid may 1st really .All you had to have was big cuts and let it fly as we were gryrating 50 pts on 5 mins at times . The last few weeks has been much choppier. He'll probably never make this returns again and i bet he is still swinging hard and has given some back . Thats what usually happens

This year includes January before the big swings from COVID19. Win rate was similar, the gains were smaller indeed, average seemed to be around half that of big volatility days. This was scalping with something around 180 round trips per day, January was half that due to slower moves. Keep in mind he was a profitable scalper of 10 years in much less volatile instruments (certain type of equities) than the NQ with obviously less leverage. He moved to NQ because with equities, sometimes he would make less than 3 trades per day, NQ moves like a mad man compared to what he traded.
 
This year includes January before the big swings from COVID19. Win rate was similar, the gains were smaller indeed, average seemed to be around half that of big volatility days. This was scalping with something around 180 round trips per day, January was half that due to slower moves. Keep in mind he was a profitable scalper of 10 years in much less volatile instruments (certain type of equities) than the NQ with obviously less leverage.

Is your friend reading the DOM manually as in looking at the ladder or is it some sort of algo driven analysis? Or is it looking at fast tick charts to see if there is a change of momentum? Doesn't the DOM on NQ just fly around like crazy?
 
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