How I stopped making the same mistakes in 2010 and started to make more money

Quote from NoDoji:

bigpapi, that's a great idea. I stopped journal-style trade documentation as of this week, because writing up my reasons for entering, my trade management, my exits, my mistakes, etc. was causing me to lose focus on other good setups forming.

Even just an audio recording to review with the chart at the end of the day would work well.

Same here, journal writing just wasn't cutting it for me either ... I'm working with "BRS Screen Recorder", it has zoom in and 3d capabilities and takes less than 5 minutes to master. It's free unless you want additional features, the only bad thing is that it records in .avi which takes a lot of hard drive space, but you can change the settings to lessen the quality of the video and take up less memory. A one hour video for me takes around 500mb with the lower settings but I burn the video into a cd at end of day.

Another option is "Debut Capture Software", also free.
 
Day 2

This long weekend could not come in a better time, Olympics could not come in a better time, SWM loss could not come in a better time. It all clicked. It's not that I learned something new, it's just that I finally got serious about my business. I understand probabilities and numbers game but for some reason for a long time I was still fighting it when trading. I was like that overweight person who knew it's important to eat healthy but kept looking at the good food and still eating junk :-)

My focus shifted to trade well from trading to make money. All trades are according to my rules. Not worried about pathetic p/l today since I'm still improving my targets. It's all about exits. It was clear it was slowing me down today since I usually wait for a stock to do this and that before exiting. However I'm slowly moving to entering OCO orders right after entry so I can move on to another trade and get as many as I can in the first couple hours of trading.

Perfect example of my exit dilemmas was RIMM today, I was long 1000 shares at 69.55 and sold at 69.77. For so long I was against scaling out, but I think I might have to reconsider. There is no perfect exit, so using several levels should improve my bottom line.

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Quote from NoDoji:

bigpapi, that's a great idea. I stopped journal-style trade documentation as of this week, because writing up my reasons for entering, my trade management, my exits, my mistakes, etc. was causing me to lose focus on other good setups forming.

Even just an audio recording to review with the chart at the end of the day would work well.

TF, your journal reminds me so much of my own. I was averaging around $1000/day during my first 3 weeks day trading, then I had this brilliant idea to put on some swing trades with really wide stops because these momo stocks had wide swings and so I placed stops where price would NEVER go...

Next day one stop was hit for a $6500 loss. I don't think I traded any more that day. The day after that the other two stops were hit right after the open for a net loss of $10700. I immediately detached myself from those losses. I said to myself, "You're an excellent day trader. You netted $17K in your first 3 weeks day trading. Then you gave back most of it by changing what worked. Just go back to what works." I got right back on the horse, had a $100 losing trade, then had a couple trades that netted nearly $1000.

My losses were a result of changing what was working well for me. Your loss was a result of straying from your rules.

These are things that can be fixed, and you are right to throw away the "number" and resume doing what works.

But don't ever throw away the lesson. Unfortunately, my early lessons had to be repeated several times, because instead of developing a set of strict rules, I continued to let my personal opinion influence my trading. The problem with that is it works really really well until the day it doesn't.

Thank you NoDoji, I was trading well today. Thankful for the SWM lesson, though I'd rather pay for it less than what I did :-)
 
Quote from bigpapi:

Same here, journal writing just wasn't cutting it for me either ... I'm working with "BRS Screen Recorder", it has zoom in and 3d capabilities and takes less than 5 minutes to master. It's free unless you want additional features, the only bad thing is that it records in .avi which takes a lot of hard drive space, but you can change the settings to lessen the quality of the video and take up less memory. A one hour video for me takes around 500mb with the lower settings but I burn the video into a cd at end of day.

Another option is "Debut Capture Software", also free.

I think it's a great idea that might work for some traders. Thank you for sharing.
 
ThinkFirst listen... Dont restart every time you mess up... Just go 30 days straight... Why? Because you are going to create a nasty habit by restarting every time you mess up.. And by doing that you will give yourself an excuse every time.. You dont want that.. I used to do the same thing when i was trying to lose weight.. I would start my diet in the beginning of the week and once I would eat mcdonals or something bad, I would say to myself "opps I will start over next week".. But the thing was it became a nasty habit and I got fatter.. Our brains love to feed off of habits.. Especially nasty ones..

Put it like this.. you are going to make mistakes (break your rules once in awhile) but doing it once or twice is not going to hurt you.. You should judge your performance based on the WHOLE 30 days.. So lets say the first 30 days you break your rules 7 times... Well then you know the next 30 days you will try to top that.. Get it? Let me know if this makes any sense..
 
Quote from focusonmoney:

ThinkFirst listen... Dont restart every time you mess up... Just go 30 days straight... Why? Because you are going to create a nasty habit by restarting every time you mess up.. And by doing that you will give yourself an excuse every time.. You dont want that.. I used to do the same thing when i was trying to lose weight.. I would start my diet in the beginning of the week and once I would eat mcdonals or something bad, I would say to myself "opps I will start over next week".. But the thing was it became a nasty habit and I got fatter.. Our brains love to feed off of habits.. Especially nasty ones..

Put it like this.. you are going to make mistakes (break your rules once in awhile) but doing it once or twice is not going to hurt you.. You should judge your performance based on the WHOLE 30 days.. So lets say the first 30 days you break your rules 7 times... Well then you know the next 30 days you will try to top that.. Get it? Let me know if this makes any sense..

It does make sense. Thank you for your input.

I went through some serious mental makeover over this weekend and I believe I won't have to restart my Day count anymore simply because I have no need to make same mistakes. You are right, I will make some mistakes, we all do, but my attitude is different, my goals are different. I didn't even look at my p/l today during trading just to give you an example. It's like I crossed to another side mentally, now just need to get $$$ confirming it, obviously $50/day won't cut it :-)
 
Quote from thinkfirst:

It does make sense. Thank you for your input.

I went through some serious mental makeover over this weekend and I believe I won't have to restart my Day count anymore simply because I have no need to make same mistakes. You are right, I will make some mistakes, we all do, but my attitude is different, my goals are different. I didn't even look at my p/l today during trading just to give you an example. It's like I crossed to another side mentally, now just need to get $$$ confirming it, obviously $50/day won't cut it :-)

I'm glad to hear that.. Actually your thread motivated me to start my own 30 day journal.. But mines isnt public like yours.. Anywho, I believe you can do it... so dont give up..
 
Dude, you are focusing too much on profit and loss. Work on trading better. If you make $ 50 see if you work on a losing day where you lose only $ 50. Then if you have more winning days, you can start to scale up. Everyone is going to have a losing trade or a losing day, the point is you need to accept that, trading is not like a job where you get a paycheck based on showing up. If you are trading following your methods and staying in control then you are doing what you are supposed to do.


Quote from thinkfirst:

It does make sense. Thank you for your input.

I went through some serious mental makeover over this weekend and I believe I won't have to restart my Day count anymore simply because I have no need to make same mistakes. You are right, I will make some mistakes, we all do, but my attitude is different, my goals are different. I didn't even look at my p/l today during trading just to give you an example. It's like I crossed to another side mentally, now just need to get $$$ confirming it, obviously $50/day won't cut it :-)
 
Quote from oraclewizard77:

Dude, you are focusing too much on profit and loss. Work on trading better. If you make $ 50 see if you work on a losing day where you lose only $ 50. Then if you have more winning days, you can start to scale up. Everyone is going to have a losing trade or a losing day, the point is you need to accept that, trading is not like a job where you get a paycheck based on showing up. If you are trading following your methods and staying in control then you are doing what you are supposed to do.


As I mentioned above, I didn't even look at my p/l today because I didn't focus on money today. I think we are talking about the same thing but in different words.

P.S. I never was called Dude before, I think Dudette will fit me better :-) This mostly Dude's forum so I understand. But I thought I'll clear this one out sooner than later.
 
Sorry, thought you were a man, so I guess saying man up is pointless too :-)

Quote from thinkfirst:

As I mentioned above, I didn't even look at my p/l today because I didn't focus on money today. I think we are talking about the same thing but in different words.

P.S. I never was called Dude before, I think Dudette will fit me better :-) This mostly Dude's forum so I understand. But I thought I'll clear this one out sooner than later.
 
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