How Does One Figure Out The Absolute Minimal Serving Size of Fruits and Vegetables?

[Overnight]

I think the only answer that most nutritionists agree on is the old reliable food pyramid...

It is not "old reliable" anymore, apparently, because I remember seeing some years ago them changing the food pyramid from 4 food groups to 5. And I remember thinking when I saw it, "WTF, they took away Pluto from my childhood, now they are messing up the 4 food group thing?"

 

[vanzandt]

It is not "old reliable" anymore, apparently, because I remember seeing some years ago them changing the food pyramid from 4 food groups to 5. And I remember thinking when I saw it, "WTF, they took away Pluto from my childhood, now they are messing up the 4 food group thing?"

Just eat Lucky Charms for breakfast..... you'll be fine.
"Part of a complete balanced diet"

 

[Pekelo]

the old reliable food pyramid.

This pyramid is total BS as most everything in America. It should be upside down, you should eat carbs the less. That is why America is the most obese nation.

 

[vanzandt]

This pyramid is total BS as most everything in America. It should be upside down, you should eat carbs the less. That is why America is the most obese nation.

BINGO

Edit.. and I'm pretty sure, conspiracy theories aside, it was heavily lobbied by GIS and K.

 

[Big AAPL]

I agree that this particular pyramid is outdated, personally I switch the carbs and fruits and veggies.

 

[Overnight]

Just eat Lucky Charms for breakfast..... you'll be fine.
"Part of a complete balanced diet"

Nah, Fruity Cheerios. It turns your poo green. AWESOME!

 

[vanzandt]

Nah, Fruity Cheerios. It turns your poo green. AWESOME!

there are plenty of classic YouTube vids pumping this stuff from back in the day.
And when I say that... I mean waaay before stuff like Coco Pebbles.
"Coco Pebbles" lol...

 

[vanzandt]

1952>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_the_Tiger

 

[vanzandt]

"Sugar in a Frosted Flakes Cereal is about 15.2 g and the amount of protein in a Frosted Flakes Cereal is approximately 1.32 g."

"They'reeee Great":

 

[destriero]

I'm sure many of you have seen the commercials lately for the "Balance of Nature" capsules.
Apparently it's pretty good stuff. If you read the reviews and testimonies on various websites, they're pretty convincing.

I read up on it and this guy basically dehydrates fruits and vegetables, grinds them into powder, capsulizes them,... and there you go. No magic, no hidden formulas.Pretty simple really. $69.95/month. I'm sure he's making a fortune. Folks across the country are swearing they work. Who knows...

Now... my question here is NOT about this product, it has nothing to do with B.O.N., I throw that in because I don't want the thread turning into a debate about these types of products.
My question is about real food. The B.O.N. thing ties into it however... in a way. I'll get to that part in a second.

We all know there are some really good fruits and vegetables that allegedly have remarkable affects on our bodies. Beets, blueberries, carrots, fresh spinach, etc. My question is, where can I find the information needed to determine the absolute minimum needed to get the daily benefits?

Lets take blueberries as an example. Now I can eat a whole $5 container of these things like it was small bag of popcorn. I'm sure, aside from the fact that I love them, there exists a point from a nutritional aspect.. where each additional blueberry has no additional daily health benefit for me, and I would like to figure that quantity out for all of the "super-vegetables".
I don't want to have to eat an entire raw beet/day, if I get the same benefits from say a tiny sliver.

How do I figure that out? I did searches, basically its all the same stuff we've heard all our lives... blah blah blah... "you need 3 servings/day" or whatever. That's not the right answer, I want a chemical answer.

I brought up the B.O.N. product because think about it... I don't care how great of quantity this company is purchasing their raw ingredients in, the #'s don't add up.
No way he's getting fresh fruits and vegetables for 1/100th of the cost we pay.

At $69/jar... per month retail... after he pays for processing, packaging, shipping, advertising, lights, etc... I bet his actual cost of ingredients is less than $10/ jar. Tops.

So $0.33/day worth of real fruits and vegetables?
Whatever. If they work, well then we don't need that much of the real stuff to get the desired benefits because dehydrated or not... this product can't have much based on a cost to him of say $0.33. Or whatever it is. $1... who cares. You see my point here.
It circles back to my question.

How do I figure out the absolute bare minimum quantity of any desirable food, it could even be fish.. from a chemical standpoint, where additional quantities are overkill and not required?

Your question is impossible to answer as everyone will have an opinion on what is desirable. Animal sourced diets are all detrimental outside of protein and EPA. That's not open to interpretation. A couple of things.

There is value to veg outside of it's phytonutrient/essential vitamin/utility value. Eating veg as an alternative to something with a large carbon footprint/unsustainability is important to consider. We could stop the climate crisis if people switched to veg-protein sources.

More is better; IOW moving to veg-sources/animal sources has zero downsides.

Does it matter outside of a cost/benefit analysis? Veg is always cheaper. Sulfur-bound aminos are the best sources of protein; so maybe source most of your diet in veg and supplement with animal proteins and focus on eggs. Supplement your diet with fish oil supplements.