How do you trade based off of "price action"

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..... I just generally felt like the current price behavior was not telling me much.
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I think you need to look at a higher time-frame to get the context. Always look at the time-frame of one order of magnitude higher (usually 10x). For example, if you trade on the 1-minute chart, you should look at the 10-minute chart as a backdrop. If you trade the 10-minute chart, you should look at the daily chart as a backdrop, etc.. The higher time-frame should give you the bias. For example, if the higher time-frame is trending up, you therefore should buy on the dips, then you look at the most bearish moment on the lower time-frame to buy. Vice versa.

A higher time-frame always wins over a lower time-frame.
 
Quote from Bolimomo:

I am sorry I have a totally different opinion on Gary Smith's book:

How I Trade For A Living

It is one of the worst books on trading that I had read. He mostly wanted to boost his own ego (he talked about his "performance" a lot in his book). In a printed book! He hasn't told how he trades. And he trades MUTUAL FUNDS! I don't know what kind of trader he is categorized as.


Price action: If you purely look at price action, then you shouldn't even look at moving averages or Bollinger Bands. Only price bars. Conventional OHLC or candles. No derived indicators of any sort. I don't think support/resistance are considered "indicators". They are actual price points where supplies overwhelmed demands or vice versa.

But support/resistance are all subjective - depending on one's time-frame. A support on a 1-minute chart can be resistance on a 60-minute chart, etc.. And so are fibonacci, Elliott waves, trendlines and channels. They are all interpretive artifacts. You make them what they are. Hopefully if there are more traders looking at the charts the same way you do and act in unison, you can have your edge.
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I guess to each their own. One of the better books I've read. I trade just about everything and I credit Mr. Smith for putting me on to junk bond funds which have made my year in 2009.
 
Quote from SNYP40A1:

That was my subjective observation, maybe it was closer to 50%, I just generally felt like the current price behavior was not telling me much.
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But you have to "know". How can you analyze anything if you don't know the facts? Apparentely you did not keep track of what you were testing. What I am reading into your statement is that it didn't seem like you were getting it right most of the time and therefore you determined what you looked at was useless.

The reason why I asked my first question in my previous post was because many times I have found that the methods that I use are the exact opposite of what I thought would work. When you wrote that you got it "wrong" most of the time, I thought that maybe you needed to look at it differently (from the other side). But you need to "know" if in fact you really got it "wrong" most of the time and that requires keeping track of what you are doing.

The bottom line for me is this (whether it be trading or gambling): I need to collect in total more on my winners than I lose on my losers. That doesn't mean you need more winners than losers. Of course if you have less winners than losers, then your average amount won must be greater than than your average amount lost to create a profit and if you are taking many more smaller profits (winners), you have to guard against the big losses taking it back in one or a few losses. That's one way to win.

Joe.
 
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But you have to "know". How can you analyze anything if you don't know the facts?

The reason why I asked my first question in my previous post was because many times I have found that the methods that I use are the exact opposite of what I thought would work. When you wrote that you got it "wrong" most of the time, I thought that maybe you needed to look at it differently (from the other side). But you need to "know" if in fact you really got it "wrong" most of the time and that requires keeping track of what you are doing.

Joe.
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This is like saying in poker, "How can I win if I don't know exactly what the opponents are holding?". Most times, you will never "know" the "facts" of a situation until all the dust has settled, and the p/l's of all those involved have already been determined. But that doesn't prevent you from making an educated guess. Uncertainty is the cross we individual traders must bear.

Keeping track is fine and dandy but the sad truth of the market for statisticians, backtesters, and those who need to "know", is that something works until it doesn't, and whatever that is usually goes down the crapper pretty fast. The market is above all else a discounting mechanism, right down to each and every tick. Everything is fluid, give up your need to "know" and embrace uncertainty -- this yield the best results when trading from price action.
 
Price action does not exist, or it is the definition of how price wiggles. Real price action excludes S&R. Everything else is technical analysis.
 
Quote from Bolimomo:
I think you need to look at a higher time-frame to get the context. Always look at the time-frame of one order of magnitude higher (usually 10x). For example, if you trade on the 1-minute chart, you should look at the 10-minute chart as a backdrop. If you trade the 10-minute chart, you should look at the daily chart as a backdrop, etc.. The higher time-frame should give you the bias. For example, if the higher time-frame is trending up, you therefore should buy on the dips, then you look at the most bearish moment on the lower time-frame to buy. Vice versa.
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Sound advice.
 
Quote from failed_trad3r:

Price action does not exist, or it is the definition of how price wiggles. Real price action excludes S&R. Everything else is technical analysis.
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LOL....ignorance runs deep on ET doesnt it?

ppl like you are good for one thing on here......a good laugh
 
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