How do you handle big draw-downs the next day?

Quote from bwolinsky:

Well, I had assumed by now I'd have recognition.

But oh well, I'm only better than 97.3% of all traders.

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I see no succesful discretionary traders on that site. None, and I welcome anyone who would like to prove otherwise to come on the site.

I don't know what these boastings are all about.

An automated trading system, up 10% one month and down 10% the next month, with 34% over a 2-year period (17% a year) doesn't interest me. If this is a system that's better than 97.3% of other systems, I will never be interested in automated trading systems.

I made over 140% in 2008 alone. I will just deal with my occassional drawdowns.
 
Quote from bwolinsky:

It's as close to an audit as you're going to see on the net. Think about my system specifically.

What is different between real life and my trades? I place all the orders the night before, and while there might be slippage, do you really think a few cents is going to matter on it? If you wanted to do it that way, then the results are identical if not better than what you'll get, b/c I guarantee I'm not paying 0.015 through IB to do my trades, and that's cost me over $10,000 of commission. I can tell you I've paid nowhere close to that, so it is extremely accurate and even a pessimistic estimate having exorbitant commissions plugged in.

i guess people like me jsut use real account statements if we are trying to prove something... i guess if u were going for a prize in a fake trading contest it may be worth something.. but until i see real money changing hands... its all b.s. jack hershey im sure could set up a c2 so it would be profitable.. and yet... well he blows
 
Quote from bwolinsky:

This coming from a guy that said to sell on Monday. Great, got to pay attention to you pabst.

Show me a post where I said that? I sure know I didn't do that either.
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Show me a post where I said that? I sure know I didn't do that either.

Sorry, Port1385 made that call. Got you confused. My apologies.
 
Quote from Mav88:

Trading systems are built by people and a set of rules created by people is completely arbitrary, that is- they are discretionary.

Applying the exact same set of rules over and over again is called consistency, but the rules themselves are discretionary. It is by no means the holy grail to profitability since markets change over time.

Agree 100%.

If the coder has never achieved discretionary trading competence, than his algo will not work for long.

IMO, algos work when used to automate the entries and exists of a successful discretionary trader.
 
Quote from ivanbaj:

Agree 100%.

If the coder has never achieved discretionary trading competence, than his algo will not work for long.

IMO, algos work when used to automate the entries and exists of a successful discretionary trader.

Or designed by style. My main focus was finding something that could make 3-5% per trade a reasonable percentage of the time. Then you can lever up and have large profits so that you don't have to trade all the time and wait for your big move.
 
Quote from TraDaToR:

It depends if the - 4K day came out of an extraordinary event, like a fat finger or a surprise rate cut...In this case, you can maintain the same size, it just happens from time to time...

If you bleeded all day long and possibly felt that conditions are now different, you'd better pay attention.
IMHO, This was the best response to the OP's question. There are days when external events quickly take the wind out of your sails and there isn't much you can do about it. When it happens, I do my best to get back as much of it as possible but I make sure not to dig the hole much deeper. It's part of doing business and it just happens.

OTOH, if you were having a bad day for personal reasons, you should have stopped sooner and taken a mental break.

AFAIK, it doesn't matter how good you are or how big you are (everyone here is hung to the floor from fat trading profits :>), you have to control the losses.
 
Quote from nukethewhales31:

doesnt apply to all styles statistical traders will use stops that are proven to work well for the currency historically and also take profits... entrances as well.. not really any discretion but i do agree that it does apply to almost every other.

The fact that someone is running a statistical system based on certain specific past results is discretion too, isn't it? Even if the system works and makes someone a ton of cash, we're all in the business of speculating in future anticipations, and we're not really dealing with a standardized or predictable medium, at least when we compare the market to something predictable like physics or mathematics.

I say it's either discretion, or automated discretion.


I like your idea about the punching bag, I'll have to try that
 
IMO you should just trade according to the prevailing market conditions the next day. How much you lost shouldn't make any difference. All that matters is what is the state of the market today, how much equity do you have, what is your risk tolerance, and what rewards and risks are out there.

If you are psychologically destabilized by the loss, then don't trade until you regain your mental stability. For most people this means stopping for a day or more after a big loss, but IMO it's better to have some mental fortitude and just keep trading. Just make sure you nail down your risk control after a bad day.
 
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