How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

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Not true. That is simply your opinion because you are intent on defining God in terms of the one you evidently have a grudge against.

There is nothing saying that every person believes in a personal god. It could very well be that God's purpose is to create a universe like a giant erector set. It could be that humans are no different than any other piece of the universe to God. If a child builds an ant farm, he gets to watch as the ants create their world. He doesn't get to communicate with the ants, nor they with him. But that doesn't mean that he didn't create or organize the beginnings of their world.

Could we just be ants in an ant farm that was just left to sustain itself? Has God moved on to creating other worlds or other universes?

Here's the kicker. Could we advance in scientific ability to such a point that we create life from amino acids, and then build a "world" that would allow that life to evolve? We would have the ability to alter or destroy that world at will. Are we then the gods of that world?

lol. is your "need" to believe so strong that you have to go to such lengths to rationalize it?

"the invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike"
 
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"the invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike"


Yeah!!

Who's that idiot greek who thought up the idea of "atoms"? Moron couldn't even wait for the instruments to prove it. :D

Have you ever seen an atom??
 
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lol. is your "need" to believe so strong that you have to go to such lengths to rationalize it?

"the invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike"

Nope, it's my need to not be as close minded as you obviously are. You sure have conviction for someone who knows almost nothing about how the universe works.

I fully accept the notion that our smartest scientists really only have a basic grasp on the complexities of life and the universe. IMO, only an idiot is ignorant enough to claim that he is certain a "god" of some sort doesn't exist. We aren't anywhere near that level of understanding.
 
Quote from Epic:

Nope, it's my need to not be as close minded as you obviously are. You sure have conviction for someone who knows almost nothing about how the universe works.

I fully accept the notion that our smartest scientists really only have a basic grasp on the complexities of life and the universe. IMO, only an idiot is ignorant enough to claim that he is certain a "god" of some sort doesn't exist. We aren't anywhere near that level of understanding.

do you really think open minded people fall back to the level of understanding that men had 2000 years ago before the advent of science?
why is your default position the same as men who thought thunder and lightening were gods speaking?
 

Sigh.....

Ok, I'll try to be a bit more direct......

Democritus thought up of the idea of atoms. 460 to 370 B.C. A little before those pictures could be taken.

Then there was Dumbocritus, who thumbed his nose at Democritus in 460 to 370 B.C. and said "Nyah Nyah - you can't show me an atom!! What a stupid idea, you moron!!" (In greek, of course...)


This is only an analogy..... :D
 
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do you really think open minded people fall back to the level of understanding that men had 2000 years ago before the advent of science?
why is your default position the same as men who thought thunder and lightening were gods speaking?

My default position isn't the same. I don't think thunder and lightening are gods speaking. Somewhere along the line a physical phenomenon was attributed to God but later it was demonstrated how it happens naturally in nature. So you are implying that because someone got it wrong in that instance, it must be impossible for a creator to exist.

Your theory is just as far fetched as the creationists' theory. Both rely on an insane number of assumptions that have not yet been substantiated. They will never be able to provide enough evidence for you to acknowledge the possibility of a creator. You will never be able to provide ANY evidence that one doesn't exist. The best you can hope for is to discredit a specific definition.
 
Quote from Epic:

"Since my God doesn't fit with science, the entire concept of a creator is impossible."
Perhaps because in the fullness of time, the early indoctrination doesn't quite stand up to scrutiny. Also, science has never dismissed a creator as "impossibe." It has merely thus far dismissed the need for a creator, rendering one irrelevant. There is a distinction. And, as others, I am inclined to apply Occam's razor accordingly.
 
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