How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

Quote from Free Thinker:

as science answers more and more of the "god did it" questions there is less "need" to fear the unknown.


:D :D :D :eek:

And you think "fear is what drives people to god"?

Perhaps you and the islamofascist's have more in common than you care to admit.
 
Quote from Epic:

That is a completely biased and false statement. Not only that but it is self-fulfilling. As soon as a "brilliant" scientist claims to be a believer, he automatically becomes someone of "no credible intelligence".

Very poor argument, and it discredits you.

so you think its a conspiricy to exclude believers. you do realize that any scientist who could come up with any evidence pointing toward a god would be world famous?
 
Quote from Epic:

Sure, that's just not where the majority of people in this country are. The most recent surveys indicate that only 3% of Americans claimed to be convinced that God doesn't exist, compared to 73% who were convinced that God does exist. Another 14% strongly believed but had slight doubt. Another 9% were in the "not really sure" category. Actual atheists end up in a very small minority, and a disproportionate number of them end up taking an activist role, just like extreme minority groups in any situation. At that point they are no longer atheist, but anti-theist.

"Surveys indicate" anything they want. We were, you were, talking about what could be proved and what could not. Not about what a majority of people might think.

Certainly some people are anti-theist. It doesn't make other atheists anti-theist who just recognize there to be nothing rational , important or relevant in theism itself. There's nothing hard about that. It's rather obvious really.

Quote from Epic:

It is a very difficult thing to remain atheist or apolitical. As you are confronted with information, you make decisions. Religion and politics influence everything in this country. To live here and remain unaffected by religion and politics, is like a child growing up in a brothel and as an adult claiming to be unaffected with no opinion. It really does shape your entire existence whether you choose to recognize it or not.

Well I managed to be brought up in this country in a religious background but never remember being especially influenced by or having to make decisions about it. Again we were talking about proofs not influence. But anyway, whose to say a child brought up in a brothel would not be a better rounded person as an adult, and better informed than someone from a religious background.

Of course your existence is shaped by many things but you don't have to believe in those things.
 
Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

:D :D :D :eek:

And you think "fear is what drives people to god"?

Perhaps you and the islamofascist's have more in common than you care to admit.

sure it does. fear of hell and damnation is a common christion indoctrination tactic. you cant be that clueless about the christianity you defend. could you?
 
Quote from Brass:

Oh, so now you know god's will? Would that qualify as sacrilege or blasphemy? Please advise.

If having knowledge of cause and effect is blasphemy and sacrilege to your religion then I suppose I'm guilty as charged. Good thing LIEbral atheism is not my religion nor the law of the land.
 
Quote from Free Thinker:

so you think its a conspiricy to exclude believers. you do realize that any scientist who could come up with any evidence pointing toward a god would be world famous?

No there is no conspiracy, faith is not part of science. Science only concerns itself with what can be defined and proven. To believers, everything around them proves that God exists. Science just discovers the "how".

Your statement is just patently false. There are many brilliant scientists who believe in God.
 
Quote from Free Thinker:

sure it does. fear of hell and damnation is a common christion indoctrination tactic. you cant be that clueless about the christianity you defend. could you?

Is that what attracted you to Christianity?
 
Quote from Epic:

No there is no conspiracy, faith is not part of science. Science only concerns itself with what can be defined and proven. To believers, everything around them proves that God exists. Science just discovers the "how".

Your statement is just patently false. There are many brilliant scientists who believe in God.
faith is not a determinate in science. who teaches you guys this stuff?
 
Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

Is that what attracted you to Christianity?
no just like 98% of christians i was born into christianity. my parents believed so they had me indoctrinated from the beginning.
you dont know much about christianity if you dont think fear is the main driver.
 
futurecurrents;
It used to be so great a hundred years ago when God made everything and man wasn't cousin to the chimps. Poor God, now he has been relegated to being an ancient lab chemist mixing up some lipids and amino-acids for the first bacteria. After that he had nothing else to do but wait for his bacteria to become fish to become rats to become monkeys to become men so they could finally worship him for making them in his image.

I'm gonna feel real sorry for him when his bacteria/humans create life in the lab and finally un-mask him as being a do-nothing slacker. He will then have to move to before the big bang and I heard that's a tough neighborhood.


Quote from achilles28:

Wishful thinking. You didn't take biology past the 6th grade, apparently...


Yes, in fact biology was my minor in college. I also assume the biologists in the NAS, only 6% of which believe in God also had biology past the sixth grade.

The only place left for "God" is the obscured, dark part when the first Archaebacteria was made. All the rest has been so illuminated by science that there is no place for him to hide there. Thus this part is being desperately held onto by the believers.
 
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