How do you determine your entries?

In this era of HFT, I strongly disagree.

Quote from J.Joseph:

I don't think you know how an edge works. An edge is not something that gives you an advantage over other individual traders. It is something that gives you a statistical slant towards growth over time.
The game is played with 5 Michael Jordans and 10,000 Joe Schmo's. The 5 Michael Jordans take money from all 10,000 Joe Schmo's. If you are only above average you will still get devoured by the giants of the game. Telling another one of the Schmo's your edge will not diminish your edge because you have not told it to a person who has the ability to change the game for you. Giving someone your edge only matters if you have become a Michael Jordan and are trying to take money from the Schmo's now or if you happen to have shared it with a Michael Jordan who is personally motivated to make sure you personally don't win. Schmos can share secrets with Schmos without consequence.
Just like a roulette. Every gambler can win without affecting other gamblers. They can all bet on 34 Red and win. The only loser is the house. The edge is your method. It's why you chose 34 Red. Trading is not like poker where there is only 1 winner and everyone else loses because they're not as good.
You are like so many people who looks at this picture and sees 5 equal creatures and thinks that each one has an equal chance of being dominant. But there's only 1 dominant and 4 set up for slaughter. Trust me. Your edge won't be diminished by sharing. If you can beat the market, great. Others can too and your edge will still be real.
 
Quote from J.Joseph:

I don't think you know how an edge works. An edge is not something that gives you an advantage over other individual traders. It is something that gives you a statistical slant towards growth over time.
I don't think you know how an edge works. It gives you a statistical slant towards growth over time in no small part because the other traders don't know about it. The history of trading is replete with strategies that worked when they were new but became ineffective when they were publicly disclosed and became widely known and implemented.

Your analogy to roulette is ridiculous. You're not trading against some "house", you're trading against other traders who have to be convinced to take the other side of your trades. Sharing your edge, if you really have one, is just stupid.
 
It is all about that positive expectation over a large sample.

Quote from J.Joseph:

An edge is not something that gives you an advantage over other individual traders. It is something that gives you a statistical slant towards growth over time.

If you can beat the market, great. Others can too and your edge will still be real. [/B]
 
Quote from kut2k2:

Sharing your edge, if you really have one, is just stupid.

Yes, unless your edge is your superior ability to read and react to price based on countless years of practice and rock solid discipline and risk management; something that will take most recipients, the same ridiculous amount of time, or more.

Not counting the above exception, agree on all accounts.
 
Quote from etfarb:

My entry really blows. Its probably the worst part of my trading and as much as my trade is right... The entry will ruin the management end and force me to close trades way to early for a lose only to look at it later and turn into a gain (if i had held on longer)

My question is how do you determine entry points. I'm a systematic trader and like to quantify/backtest things as much as possible but i'd be interested to hear from the discretionary guys as well.

What criteria are you using for entry now? How do you calculate your exits.
 
I take up the entry into the forex market with the help of smaller time frame chart so that i can get the best entry for the day enabling me to hold lowest floating loss possible.
 
1 min charts are just noise, there can be no good entries off of noise. Get rid of your 1 min chart. There are ways to show overall trend on a longer term chart if you just want to use 1 chart or instead use the 5 min chart and then a higher min chart to show longer term price action. The higher up in time one goes, the stronger the levels of a channel hold.

Also, you could be chasing too much. If one is not able to use an acceptable stop to cap risk on a trade, then the trade should normally not be taken. Or one can use a standard target and stop. However, if see your stop is always greater than your target, you need to fix that going forward. Remember its better to be patient when trading. I also use an indicator to help me determine when to enter or if trend is going to continue rather than stop.

Quote from etfarb:

Hi Bsam,

I mainly trade the NQ

I use the 1 min and 5 min for entry

I think i understand S/R... An instrument like the NQ has S/R levels from previous days and overnight sessions - Futhermore S/R is a little bit subjective. But i am all ears to learning
 
I could put my method on the front page of the newspaper and no two traders would trade it exactly the same. Too many variables involved. Also, I would wager I could put a successful method on the front page of the newspaper and only 5% or less would be profitable using it.

Everyone knows the "secret holy grail" of how to lose weight, why is America so fat?
 
We use a specially derived technical study for the entry signal. We confirm that signal with multiple timeframes and a "non-technical" study.

I am very cautious about piling on multiple technical studies for signal confirmation. Especially things like confirming one oscillator study with another flavor of oscillator study.
 
Quote from Zr1Trader:

I could put my method on the front page of the newspaper and no two traders would trade it exactly the same. Too many variables involved. Also, I would wager I could put a successful method on the front page of the newspaper and only 5% or less would be profitable using it.

Everyone knows the "secret holy grail" of how to lose weight, why is America so fat?

I noticed you didn't post that strategy either way O.o

I do agree with the other comment that this post of a strategy here anyway would be a drop in the ocean.

That said, my edge is under a dollar per 1k shares commission rates and rebates of $1.5+... copy that ; )

People are right though to be diverting the entry question to EDGE-- and I'm feeling generous, so here's a gift that IF you take to heart you'll become a much better trader.

You need to know what your edge is BEFORE you place a trade. The odds need to be stacked in your favor as much as possible.

This means, your entry should be based off off many factors moving together. If you're trading the NQ, you need to be looking at the the stocks that make up the nasdaq 100 esp. paying attention to how it's weighted. Look at what AAPL is doing, is it near support or resistance levels?

I'm telling you this as a profitable trader for several years: Your entry is NOT the first or second step, it's like the 3rd or 4th.

Before you enter, need to have the game planned out-- where is your exit, what do you do if the market goes up/down/sideways.. if it breaks through your stop, do you reverse your position? Do you add to your position if you're right?

The best strategies are the ones where you can make money even when you're WRONG. That sounds a little weird but it's entirely possible. Let's say you're buying the NQ at support levels, you buy 2 contracts on the bounce, and as it goes up a little, you raise your stop for one of them. Even if it's only a quick uptick before blasting lower, one you got a slight profit, the other you're stopped out flat.

Other things to consider, what if you traded options and when you thought a stock would go up, you sell a put spread? Then even if the market doesn't go anywhere or slightly down, you collect a premium.

Figure out as many edges/advantages/ways to lower your risk as possible, and the question about entry will define itself. Long post, but I hope it helps!
 
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