How do you determine existence?

[I am...]

Quote from rcanfiel:

I read your followon answers, and it still boils down to your claim to be Jesus. You treat the scripture as something to which you are superior. I say otherwise.

Otherwise, you remain deluded as to your identity.

Reading the Bible is like playing russian roulette. If you accept a false belief into the chamber of your mind and pull the trigger, it can kill you.

For example, if you accept the belief that God banished Adam from the garden of Eden, and that he was justified in doing so because Adam was guilty, this belief will literally kill you...or at least what you've made of yourself. But "you" are not a body.

The belief will kill you over and over and over again...because 'you' cannot be killed any more than the Romans were able to kill 'me'.

But if you believe something false, you will stay in the grave, whereas, I was not willing to stay in the tomb. If you believe something false, you will 'resurrect', but not in the same way I did. Birth is the continuation of a mind-set that believes something false. But you are not born to 'live'. You are born to die.

To be born again means you recognize your original birthright, and with it, your immortality. You cannot recognize it while you entertain the idea that your Father would banish you. Guilt is like a bullet lodged in your mind, that imposes death. But since you cannot change your immortal nature, you must concieve of "birth" as a body, deluding yourself that this is "you". And now "you" can be killed. So long as you keep the bullet of guilt in the chambers of your mind, you will remain "unregenerate", and continue to shoot yourself in the foot you made.

The Bible will kill you if you do not read it right. Many of it's passages represent bullets. If you take the whole magazine and load it into your mind without discrimination, your obstinence will pull the trigger.

The beliefs loaded into the Bible are there because the mind that makes this world and it's Bible believes these things, and is in the process of killing itself. The Bible contains ammo. The ammo dump is called 'holy', keeping the ammo nearby, at arms length. Many of the 'guilty' will not go anywhere without their ammo. The Bible and bullets are graven out of the imagination.

The body is a graven image once removed from reality. Words are fashioned by bodies, making them twice removed from reality. This makes a book a graven image that will either kill you, or point you to the truth, depending on how you look at it.

All I am doing is talking you out of a kind of suicide. That's all I've ever done.

You are not the Son of a book. You are not the son of man. You are superior to any of these concepts.

Jesus

 

[rcanfiel]

Quote from I am...:

Let me ask you, what would it mean to you?

So far, it means that you are incapable of providing the answers, so all you have left is trying to think of clever sayings to evade the fact that you want to perpetuate your delusions that you are the Creator.

Would it mean that I am divine...
Would it mean that it's a miracle...

I would think that the onus is on a person claiming to be Jesus. The nuthouses are full of messiah wannabees.

If I got it right, would you convert?

We both know the probabilities of that. Slim and None; and Slim left town. Stop evading and post the 3 words.

 

[rcanfiel]

Quote from I am...:

"Reading the Bible is like playing russian roulette. If you accept a false belief into the chamber of your mind and pull the trigger, it can kill you. "

Funny - you accept a false belief that you are Jesus. The 3 words, please?

"To be born again means you recognize your original birthright, and with it, your immortality. "

False. To be born again, is for one of the elect to be quickened; the moment when God called the person from death to life. As the 3000 on the day of penetcost, as the thief on the cross, as when Saul was called on the road to damascus, Abraham, Moses, and everyone else who truly believes. It comes from God, not from individuals.

 

[MrWonderful]

Quote from rcanfiel:



"To be born again means you recognize your original birthright, and with it, your immortality. "

Sort of.. it usually marked an adepts first out of body experience in the astral plane which forever left them in no doubt that there was life after the death of the physical body

 

[I am...]

Quote from rcanfiel:



False. To be born again, is for one of the elect to be quickened; the moment when God called the person from death to life. As the 3000 on the day of penetcost, as the thief on the cross, as when Saul was called on the road to damascus, Abraham, Moses, and everyone else who truly believes. It comes from God, not from individuals.

"Born again" and "resurrection" are synonymous. Its a profound shift in your way of thinking which breaks the cycle of physical birth and rebirth. So it breaks also the cycle of death and re-death.

Resurrection is an accomplishment of preparation which occurs in an instant when 'you' the ego surrender to 'You' the One Spirit. In this way, you "lay down your life that you may take it up again". It means you've surrendered to the idea that there is nothing else but the One Spirit, and you are that. This is your immortal, unchangeable birthright. It has been denied, repressed and forgotten. So you must be 'born again' into your birthright. You are immortal Spirit, One with all, all that is.

Saul was not prepared for this. He still held onto dualistic thought patterns which retained guilt and conflict in his mind. There is no way this kind of mindset will accept it's birthright. So he did not experience it in that generation. He is still working on it today, as he continues to be born of flesh, again and again. On average, it took my apostles 20 more earthly incarnations to 'get it', for they were not wholly willing to follow me to the truth of the One Spirit, without compromise.

Everyone eventually gets it, but the shift is not what you think. It is given by God, yes, but not without careful preparation. To be "elect" simply means you have made up your mind to choose Spirit instead of flesh. If choosing Spirit, you are letting go of everything in and of this world. This is a deliberate decision requiring you be aware of the choice you are making.

Up till now, you resist the idea that you and I are one and equal to the Father. How then can you be restored to your original birthright?

Til then you must prepare yourself to surrender to your Self. This won't happen so long as you are confused about what the issues are. If you do not understand that its your immortality that you threw away, how can you make an educated election to take it back?

This is more than just an OOBE. It's an election to go beyond all time, space and form, and return the 'stolen' mind that makes this world to the Spirit of God, who doesn't. It is illustrated in the phrase, "Father, into your hands I commend my spirit."

Jesus

 

[I am...]

Quote from rcanfiel:

When will you stop guessing and start demonstrating an understanding of someone who claims to be Jesus?

Remember, the test of a true prophet is that their prophecies 100% come true. You are not doing very well.

Prophecy? Now that's something I understand! Here's a few.

The Dow will trade at 100,000 within 45 years.

The world is set up to undergo the biggest economic expansion in human history. Everything will be bigger, faster, scarier. The 20th century was ridiculous in its violence, its seeming speed-up of technological progress, and its frightening headlines. This century will be more of the same, only bigger, a lot faster, and even scarier.

The big money will put itself in a position of total authority. The process of legislative democracy will become more and more like a professional wrestling match where it's all for show and the result has already been determined. Small print in trade agreements will seek to replace laws of nations with the decisions of international councils. This will put some corporations above the law of any nation.

Conventional bombs will get bigger as the need for them will make itself tragically apparent. The biggest threat to safety in the West will be the threat of nuclear and biological terrorism. There will be dirty bombs in major western capitals followed by a retaliatory strike on the capital city of the most suspect nation involved. This will give the impression that the terrorism problem is solved once and for all and people will breathe a sigh of relief. Once it is seen that corporations are still in business, people will be falling all over themselves to buy stocks. So after a 911 type dip in the Dow, the market will recover and rise steadily.

Hydrogen powered cells are the energy of the future. Within 25 years, hydrogen-powered cars and various hybrids will start to dominate, first in Europe, and later in America. America will trend with hybrids for the next twenty years, while Europe will concentrate its effort on hydrogen power.

America will start to slowly fall behind the European Union, which will be the economic powerhouse of the future. Within a few decades this will be clear.

Later in this century, you'll have commercial airliners making the trip from New York to Los Angeles in 30 minutes. Late this century, the average lifespan will have risen from the current 75 to 100.

Quantum computers will boggle the mind. Space elevators will raise heavy cargo through the air and into orbit. Tourist trips to the moon. Teleportation. . These are in the not-too-distant future.

Space travel in the future will not always be done on space craft. Trips to distant places will sometimes be accomplished by beaming people there. It takes days to fly to the moon, but you'll one day be able to beam someone there in three seconds. Beyond this century, this will be the prevalent form of space travel. It has all kinds of advantages over other methods of space travel. In the coming century, humans will walk on Mars and eventually discover shocking anthropological evidence that intelligent life has existed there.

Expect weather patterns to become more extreme, both hot and cold.



Jesus

 

[nutmeg]

Quote from I am...:

Prophecy? Now that's something I understand! Here's a few.

The Dow will trade at 100,000 within 45 years.

The world is set up to undergo the biggest economic expansion in human history. Everything will be bigger, faster, scarier. The 20th century was ridiculous in its violence, its seeming speed-up of technological progress, and its frightening headlines. This century will be more of the same, only bigger, a lot faster, and even scarier.

The big money will put itself in a position of total authority. The process of legislative democracy will become more and more like a professional wrestling match where it's all for show and the result has already been determined. Small print in trade agreements will seek to replace laws of nations with the decisions of international councils. This will put some corporations above the law of any nation.

Conventional bombs will get bigger as the need for them will make itself tragically apparent. The biggest threat to safety in the West will be the threat of nuclear and biological terrorism. There will be dirty bombs in major western capitals followed by a retaliatory strike on the capital city of the most suspect nation involved. This will give the impression that the terrorism problem is solved once and for all and people will breathe a sigh of relief. Once it is seen that corporations are still in business, people will be falling all over themselves to buy stocks. So after a 911 type dip in the Dow, the market will recover and rise steadily.

Hydrogen powered cells are the energy of the future. Within 25 years, hydrogen-powered cars and various hybrids will start to dominate, first in Europe, and later in America. America will trend with hybrids for the next twenty years, while Europe will concentrate its effort on hydrogen power.

America will start to slowly fall behind the European Union, which will be the economic powerhouse of the future. Within a few decades this will be clear.

Later in this century, you'll have commercial airliners making the trip from New York to Los Angeles in 30 minutes. Late this century, the average lifespan will have risen from the current 75 to 100.

Quantum computers will boggle the mind. Space elevators will raise heavy cargo through the air and into orbit. Tourist trips to the moon. Teleportation. . These are in the not-too-distant future.

Space travel in the future will not always be done on space craft. Trips to distant places will sometimes be accomplished by beaming people there. It takes days to fly to the moon, but you'll one day be able to beam someone there in three seconds. Beyond this century, this will be the prevalent form of space travel. It has all kinds of advantages over other methods of space travel. In the coming century, humans will walk on Mars and eventually discover shocking anthropological evidence that intelligent life has existed there.

Expect weather patterns to become more extreme, both hot and cold.



Jesus

Mmmnnnnnhhhh. Any chance you and Cramer shared a bottle last night? Must've been a heck of a prophecy party somewhere yesterday. :eek:

 

[nutmeg]

Quote from nutmeg:

Mmmnnnnnhhhh. Any chance you and Cramer shared a bottle last night? Must've been a heck of a prophecy party somewhere yesterday. :eek:

Suppose all this comes true, how do I know it is not just a coincidence?

 

[I am...]

Quote from nutmeg:

Suppose all this comes true, how do I know it is not just a coincidence?

If it turns out to be just a coincidence, then I'll admit I was drinking with Cramer last night.

Jesus

 

[I am...]

Getting back on topic.

Here is a video of a girl who died in a car crash. Some years later, she is found hitchhiking about a mile from the place she died before. She get's a ride with some young folks out having fun with a camera. The girl looks confused, concerned, disoriented. They ask her whats wrong. She points up ahead to a spot. "There", she says, "that's the spot where I died". At that moment the car crashes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnH9OJP6FTk&feature=related

Here is the lesson:

This world begins with a kind of crash in which the concept of death is born. The moment the mind thought itself separated from it's home, it was a terrible feeling of tragedy. The concept of bodies emerge out of the chaos only to repeat that moment of separation over and over again...in various ways that express the awful feeling of loss.

The bodies in this world are not more real than the 'ghost girl' who get's into the car in this video. People are not any less confused. And people are repeating the initial death experience without realizing what they are doing. To be a body is a belief which seems normal only because of the way it orients itself to its environment. It exists because of a tragic experience. As long as tragedy remains in the subconsioius mind that makes the body, the body will experience tragedy.

Does this 'ghost girl' exist? Do we exist?

Bottom line: This is a dream of death. The players are sleeping, acting out concepts and feelings. Waking solves the problem.

Jesus