How do you determine existence?

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Do all children who die very young go to heaven? Why or why not?

All go to heaven, as previously mentioned. When they go is the question. Children who die go to an awareness that seems like heaven because it is not associated so much with a body. But it is a restricted awareness of Self which is still bogged down with the concept of guilt.

It's important to note that the whole phenomenon of childbirth is not a concept that our Father imposes on us. It is an experience relative to our own concept of guilt, which we impose upon ourselves.

Let me make this clear: Guilt is a really crazy concept. It is conjured up by a kind of insanity. The insanity is invoked by a denial of reality. Really, there is no such thing as guilt. So it is really crazy to insist that you or anyone else is guilty. Sin is simply the denial of reality, leaving the mind to embrace all kinds of crazy concepts, like guilt. Guilt induces fear of punishment...which in turn gives rise to this world which I've called "hell".

And this is the origin of the maxim that children are "born in sin". This is because there would be no such thing as the world, no such thiing as bodies, were in not for the idea that guilt is real, which is really crazy because it denies reality. The "original sin" was the idea that guilt is real, and therefore a world must be built to hide from the inevitable reprisal that must come from God. Pain is a kind of defense against a punishment worse than death. Pain is valued in the same way flaggelents value pain. It is believed to ward off a worse attack from God. The world is a fortified castle to defend against attack for imagined crimes against God, consisting mainly of separation....which is also imagined.

As such, a denial of reality gives rise to a world in which women go through hell to give birth. This phenomenon does not exist in heaven, and therefore does not exist at all except in the minds of those who deny reality.

It's imporant to note that a "child" is an aspect of the mind of Christ which thinks it is guilty. Having denied true Fatherhood to it's creator, mind substitutes Father for "dad", and the phenomenon of family is born. It is a phenomenon born of sin, the denial of reality. In other words, this is all made up in the mind of the Son, who toyed with the idea of separation and guilt, and decided to take is seriously. None of it is real. Therefore, "call no man father".

Children who die simply follow the same patterns as anyone who dies unaware of what is going on. They exist somewhere nice till the concept of guilt comes back around to make them feel aweful. Feeling aweful, each seeks an alternative...some kind of buffer...some kind of hiding place...some kind of salvation. The body serves this purpose well. So the cycle of birth and death continues indefinitely, until at some point the truth sets them free.

Truth breaks this cycle. Death does not. Truth sets free. Truth is accepted or denied. Denial keeps the cycle going. Acceptance breaks it.

Jesus

 

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Please provide a precise explanation about the fact that the cosmos seems to be 11 dimensional?

The cosmos of time, space and form is complex. It is complex enough to confuse. It is designed to confuse, having been made by a mind that valued confusion. It is designed to suck you in and keep you here. There is enough here to keep you busy for a very long time...many thousands of lifetimes of curiosity. It's all carrot and stick. It's mainly to hurt you. But there is enough carrot in it to keep you interested, but confused enough that you might never figure it out.

There are no dimensions in heaven. There are no levels of mind that are unaware of other levels. There is no hierarchy in heaven. There is no time or forms in heaven.

So the "cosmos" must be hell. Since you can only be in hell by choice, hell must be set up in a way that you are enticed to stay there. So there are "good times" and there are "bad times". Pain is not constant, but comes and goes. Disaster is not everywhere, but it's always somewhere. Death doesn't come every day, but it comes to everyone. This makes hell somewhat tolerable. Hellions develop comfort zones by force of habit and preference. There is a place in hell for everyone, for every taste, for every delusion. So it's a very complex environment. It cannot exist but that it fools it's inhabitants...and these are not easily fooled. It's not easy to fool the Son of God. To do so, you must involve a willingness to deceive himself. This is the only way hell could "work". So it is very complex.

Jesus

 

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12) Describe exactly, the nature of dark energy and dark matter.

13) Is there life on other planets?

Energy is thought. And the thoughts that make this world are dark. The world is designed to keep you in the dark. Darkness is confusion, and confusion is darkness. Darkness is necessary that you do not see what is going on. What is going on is an illusion. Beyond this world is the light. This world does not welcome light, so it is dark.

Matter is energy taking shape as thought directs. You will not be able to see the thought, but you can see it's effects, and you can infer what the "cause" might be by examining the symbols of thought. Matter and form are the symbols of thought.

There is really no "life" in this cosmos, even on the planet earth. At least not what I call life. However, what you think of as "life" - bodies, species, races - these do exist on other planets. Once again, I do not interpret existence as life, but you do.

The earth will recieve unambiguous contact from another planet within this next century. Earth itself was seeded by a migration from Mars, which was seeded by a migration from elsewhere. DNA hob nobs around this cosmos through a process best described by the concept of panspermia.

None of it really matters because all of it arises from a basic denial of reality in the mind of the Son of God.

Jesus

 

[psychosanta]

Nonsense drivel verbal diarrhoea

 

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14) Do people basically do good or bad? What is the passage that gives the definitive answer about how many people you have seen who do good?

"Bad" is only a concept that exists in time. In time, it is possible to "sin" and do "evil". But it's all a set up to trick you. What appears to be bad is a behind the scenes drama made up by minds in communication which mask agreements made between victim and victimizer.

I have told you that this world is Christ crucified, and that he does it to himself. "Bad" is when Christ beats Christ up, and masks the cause in a way that it is not understood why "bad" things happen to "good" people.

Anyone who is in the world has thought about hurting the Son of God. The instant that thought came about, the Son of God disappeared from their sight, leaving only darkness. Out of the darkness emerges all kinds of terrifying scenarios which make up what is this cosmos.

This presents a paradox. The illusion that masks motive seeks to prove that the Son of God is guilty. This gives rise to a world in which it seems that everyone is "bad". But when you allow the truth in, the "bad" can be seen as "good". And the truth is that nothing can happen to the Son of God without his permission. This means that agreements between aspects or the Son of God are made and masked. But because everyone is keeping the agreements, everyone is really doing "good". The agreements are about self-sabotage that is masked by making it look like it comes from someone or something other than self. It's all very masochistic. And it is all done through agreements, which I define as "old" agreements. The "new" agreement breaks all the old agreements, and gives up the idea of attack altogether. This is the fundamental difference between the "old testament" and the "new testament". This is not a concept that could be understood but by those who have accepted the new testament.

The new testament believers are able to see that because everyone has kept their agreements, there has never been anything but love in the world...even though it has taken the appearance of pain and tragedy. The "new" agreement is simply an agreement to disarm, and to love openly without masks. The new agreement is actually about keeping the oldest agreement of all...the agreement between the Son and the Father, that they would always be One. This is the agreement you keep when you acknowledge your brother as Christ, and seek no more to hurt him.

Jesus

 

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15) Finally, did the Father, Son or Holy Ghost create all things?

The Father is all. He created the Son and gave him everything. The Son is everything that is real. The Son is the Father's Creation. So the Son is Creation...which is Heaven. The Father and the Son are co-Creators. Nothing is created without both of them. The world is made by the Son without the Father. So the world is not a true creation. Nothing is created which does not pass through the Son and meets his approval. The Son contains the Father, and the Father contains the Son. They share one Will, and share all of reality. The Father and Son are equal, but the Son was created by the Father. When this is denied, it gives rise to a world of unreality. Such is this world.

The Son seems able to use his mind to make of himself something unreal, something not himself. This is the "cosmos" of time, space and form. This is hell. It's all about image, images, and imagination. It's about turning God's Creation into strange images that reflect strange thoughts and feelings conjured up by the Son out of curiosity.

The Holy Spirit was created equal to the Son to save him from his delusions about himself. The Holy Ghost was incorporated into the mind of the Son as he set about making a world of "things", shapes, forms, changes, events. and various drama. As much as the Son would not listen to the Holy Spirit, the world as you know it was constructed. As often as he listens to the Holy Spirit, the cosmos as you know it is deconstructed. Vast sections of time and space are literally removed, whenever any part of the Son listens and changes his mind about himself.

The Father has nothing whatsoever to do with this world. His creation is perfect, and remains so. When the Son ceases seeking after what is not real, the world he built will be dismantled. The dismantling process is overseen by the Holy Spirit who has the master plan of salvation. As you follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit, you fulfill your part in the overall plan to dismantle this world through a process of miracles.

When the world is gone from the mind of the Son, the Holy Ghost remains as a brother and equal because what God creates abides forever. With the Father, this is the Trinity. It came about because of what arose in the Son's mind, and the near impossible situation he had placed himself in...needing a Guide to find his way back Home.

The Trinity is everything that is. There exists nothing other than the Trinity. The world is a construct of fear. Fear ultimately does not exist in the mind of the Son of God. But while it seemed to dwell there, it seemed to be real. Salvation saves the mind of the Son from internal conflict between what is true and real, and what is false and illusion. The mind of the Son is like a "house" or a "temple". A house divided against itself cannot stand. The fallout of such a mind is what gives rise to this world. This world is an idol in the temple of the Son's mind. It is cherished for a while, and then let go. But while it defiles the temple, it blinds the Son to his reality. He is saved when his eyes are opened, and he clears the temple of it's abominations.

The Holy Spirit solves the problem posed by a Son who made himself unequal to his Father. The Father cannot but treat the Son as an equal. Otherwise, the Son's delusions about himself would be endorsed and become real. The Holy Spirit was a way to solve what amounted to a communication breakdown, without acknowledging the world it gave rise to. The Holy Spirit is equal to both Father and Son, and teaches the Son his equality. The Father does not teach the Son because this would imply inequality, and that would ruin His perfect Creation. The Holy Spirit provides a way for the Son to gracefully extract himself from an impossible predicament in which he seems unequal to the Father.

"I and the Father are One" was taught to me by the Holy Spirit. I accepted it as real. That brought me to the "atonement". The rest is history.



Jesus

 

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Quote from rcanfiel:

This is pure babble and incorrect. It was because lusting after another woman was to commit adultery with her in your heart. You are violating her, and separates yourself from God. This is called "sin."

When people experience a vision of God, these are usually marked by feelings of being dirty or unworthy. Isaiah saw this, and said "Woe is me for I am a man of unclean lips. When Peter realized who Jesus was, while fishing, he said "Depart from me Lord, for I am a sinful man." When Moses experience God on the Mount, God told him to take off his shoes, for the ground was holy. When John saw the resurrected Christ (Revelation), he fell to the ground as though he were dead. When the 3 disciples saw Jesus in His glory on the mount of transfiguration when he was speaking with 2 other past biblical characters, it reduced Peter to insane babbling.

Sort of what you are giving continuously, here [/B]

Beyond each body there is a vision of the Son of God that is jaw-dropping awesome. The sight of it would tend to induce you to fall on your knees and worship in awe.

This sight is denied whenever you look at a woman just to see a body. And that goes for anybody.

The meaning of love is found in oneness. But bodies make it impossible to truly join. Therefore by seeing bodies instead of Christ, you adulterate the meaning of love.

To see bodies is a choice.

The idea of bodies is unholy. And you see them because you feel guilty. You feel guilty because you have denied reality in which all is innocent. Bodies symbolize an unholy state of mind because they represent division instead of wholeness. Love is found in wholeness. Hate is found in division.

To see bodies means that you do not accept Christ as God made him. If you see yourself as a body, you do not accept Christ, because you consider yourself to be sinful. If you did not consider yourself sinful, you would not see yourself as a body...you would see Christ instead.

It's important not to feel guilty for seeing bodies. You can reduce a sense of guilt by at least intellectually accepting that you are one with the other at the level of being, mind and spirit. You are simply seeing a version of yourself in a way that your identity is hidden.


It's important to observe your thoughts as you look at bodies. You will usually find that you are selecting, measuring, analyzing, judging, evaluating, valuing, and comparing. These are ancient thought patterns which give rise to a world of bodies, which narrow your vision to bodies only. By letting go of these thought patterns and looking at bodies without prejudice, you can see beyond a vision of the Son of God.

Sin is the denial of reality. Bodies arise from this denial. If you continue to sin, you will continue to see bodies, which are unreal. And you will think they are real. How is this not delusion?

When you value certain bodies above others, you tend to reinforce the idea that bodies are real. And this reinforces the delusion. The world is set up that you will value some bodies above others. So it is a trap.

Jesus

 

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Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

This reminds me of what I asked a Mormon one day (who also believe they are headed to Godhood). I pointed to the mountains, clouds, trees and asked, "Do you really think you're going to make those?" The guy was so deceived that he basically said, "Yes."

The funny thing was that this guy was the most messed up person I ever knew. He was weak at his job, he was caught wearing a bra to work, came in to work with two black eyes, and wore the same clothes for weeks at a time...

Quote from rcanfiel:

the description of the power of the true believer in heaven is far beyond making clouds, trees, etc. Gods? No. But as bearing the image of God, the NT says "do you not know you will judge angels?" Or to those who well managed their talents they were entrusted with, it is described that they will rule cities. They are described as a royal priesthood. When Jesus said that if they had the faith of a mustard seed, they could command a mountain to throw itself into the sea, etc. etc. To such power, I suspect making a tree would be a simple task. Command it, and it will be appear. The angels who appear throughout the OT/NT do amazing things, and ultimately, they will be servants of the true believer.

Yes, with a little bit of faith in the truth, you can command a mountain to throw itself into the sea.

How or why is that possible?

The fact is that faith made the mountain, and faith can move it.

Who's faith?

Your faith!

Unless you understand this, you will never understand the gospel.

It's not about growing up to be like God and making mountains, lakes and trees.

It's about how you have abused the power of God to make these things already! You have made them, and yet, you seem powerless before them. How did this happen?

The gospel explains how you happened to make this world by abusing power, only to become powerless within it.

The gospel explains how you can restore power to yourself.

You will not be able to restore power to yourself by valuing the things of this world. If you are interested in makiing more of what has already been made, you will remain powerless, because in order to make what was made, you had to screw up your mind so much that you lost your power.

Faith in truth begins to restore power because it clears your mind of the confusion caused by your making of this world.

The gospel does not say that you will evolve to become gods. It says that you are equal to God, lost your power by making yourself unequal to God, and may restore your power by accepting the truth about who you are.

The gospel says you came down from heaven...as in "fell" from grace...when you valued the things that make hell what it is.

The gospel says you valued guilt, but innocence is the truth. If you put your faith in innocence, your power will begin to be restored to you.

With faith in truth, you are not interested in saving this world, you are interested in getting it the hell out of your way as you walk back Home.

You two are leaders among the Christian people. I can't believe you don't understand these very basic principles.

Go back and do your homework!

Jesus

 

[rcanfiel]

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I will get right on it.

However you must understand, that the Son of God is the Word of God for those who will listen. And those who wrote the Bible were not very good listeners. Sometimes they listened to me, sometimes they listened to their ego.

Nice try. The scripture make it very clear that ALL scripture is from God, not from men

2PE 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2TI 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. 1JO 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1 TH 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

So the Bible is not the kind of document that I would recommend for your salvation

Again, 2TI 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness 1TH 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe. 1JO 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. ACT 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets.


The evidence for this claim can be seen in the Bible's inability to reduce confusion amongst the peoples. Rather, division and conflict are very much it's legacy.

Inability? It is intentional on this division and conflict

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)

And try reading the OT, where God sends Israel against those in the region, to claim the promised land.

It is quite clear throughout scripture, that there are those who are in the Kingdom of Light and the Kingdom of Darkness. And ias it says, "what fellowship can Light have with Darkness?"

 

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Let's make this clear. I am not subject to the Bible. The Bible is subject to me. I would abolish it except...

Nope:
John 19:36: For these things came to pass to fulfill the Scripture, "NOT A BONE OF HIM SHALL BE BROKEN."
Micah 26: Then Jesus said to them, "You will all become deserters because of me this night; for it is written, 'I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'
isaiah 7:14: An angel appeared to Joseph, revealing that Mary was with child of the Holy Spirit, in fulfillment of Isaiah's prophecy, "...Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel."
Hosea 11:1: Again, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph, warning him to flee to Egypt, for Herod would seek to destroy the child. There, he remained with Mary and Jesus, until the king was dead, and then came up out of Egypt, fulfilling that which had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet
Matthew 2:16-18: Realizing the magi were not returning to reveal the location of the child, Herod decided to put to death all male children in the vicinity age 2 and under. So it was, there was great lamentation and weeping and mourning among the mothers of Judea for their deceased children, as had been foretold through the prophet
There is a general theme revealed through the prophets that the Messiah would be despised and rejected by many (Psalm 22:6-8; 69:9-11, 19-21; Isaiah 53:2-4, 7-9
Jesus left Nazareth, and dwelt in and around Capernaum, which is by the sea of Galilee. In doing so, He fulfilled the words of Isaiah the prophet, as recorded in Isaiah 9:1-2.
From Matthew 8:16-17: On many occasions, we see Jesus addressing the troubles and sorrows of those whom He came in contact with. On this particular occasion, Matthew references Isaiah, who said, "Surely He has born our griefs and carried our sorrows..." (from Is: 53:4).
From Matthew 12:14-21 Jesus had the difficult task of accomplishing the work His Father had sent Him to do, in the midst of the perpetual plotting of the Pharisees, the exuberant excitement of the crowds, and the sobering responsibility of declaring the will of God to an unrighteous world. He accomplished His work, even as Isaiah foretold (from Is: 42:1-4).
And a lot more...

When all my brothers read the Bible like I read the Bible, they will let it return to the dust from which it came. Therefore, it is only by unanimous decision that the Bible will be abolished. ...

This is your mental fabrication.

"Adam" is that aspect of Christ that wants to die. I am that aspect of Christ that chooses to live. Accordingly, I am careful what I read and how I interpret what I read. Read it one way and you will die like Adam. Read it another way and you will live, like me.

Opinion, unsupported by ANY evidence.

Some appearances are of Christ the savior, coming to save Christ the prodigal.

Opinion, unsupported by ANY evidence.

One such appearance would be the angel that appeared to Abraham just as he is about to sacrifice his son. Possibly, but unclear

In another appearance, Jacob wrestled with an "angel" at night near a river. Yes

The first appearance of the prodigal Son is Adam. No. Adam is obviously a created being. Jesus was obviously always existing, as it says "his origins are from old, even from everlasting." The Alpha and the Omega...

I appear also as "Melchizedek", Yes, he did.

You forgot some If you are omnisicent, how could you possibly leave these two out?

"How then does David in the spirit call him 'Lord,' saying, 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, till I make your enemies your footstool"?' If David then called him Lord, how is he his son?"

"I beheld one coming with the clouds as the Son of man, and he came unto the Ancient of Days, and was brought near to Him. To him was given the dominion, and the honor, and the kingdom. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which shall not pass away."

Remember, the test of a true prophet is that their prophecies 100% come true. You are not doing very well.