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1) After your crucifixion and prior to your resurrection, the Bible says you did something. What was it ("descended into lower regions" is NOT specific enough). Details, Jesus, details.
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It says, basically, that I descended into "hell" to preach the good news to those there and to release them, any who were interested.

If you understand that to be born into this world is the same as to descend into hell, then this makes sense.

Despite scholarly assumptions, the "hell" that I often spoke of is this world of physical form. It is a place of "gnashing of teeth" and a place "where the worm never dies". This simply describes life on earth.

There is no other hell besides the dimensions of time, space and form. That includes everything this side of the big bang...which is nothing but an exploding wall of fire which cools just enough for bodies to walk around upon a thin mantle of rock that separates them from a molten lake of fire underneath.

Brother, this is hell. Face it, so you can leave it. This is good news.

My death and resurrection are a parody of existence describing the descent into hell, and the ascent back out of hell. It describes everyone's existence here in hell, for all upon the earth are Christ crucified. How is that not hell? So long as you remain in this world, you remain crucified and in hell. But it is your choice to stay or leave, and your resurrection is inevitable.

The inevitability of your resurrection is good news, yes?

The desent into this world begins with the attempted crucifixion/destruction of the Son of God. Everyone in this world has attempted this, or wished for this, and that is why they are here.

The time I was in the tomb are merely symbols of the days I spent in this world...which is a dark, dank, empty place of death. The world, and the thinking that traps those within it is a kind of "tomb" that the "good news" teaches you to walk out of.

"Three days" symbolizes my prophecy that if the temple can be destroyed, I would rebuild it in three days. This is a reference to the supposed six days it took for "God" to build this world. Rather, the building of this world is the destruction of the "temple" which is the pristine holiness of the mind of the Son of God. This world represents the destruction of his mind by a tortured conflict within it. So, it took the Son of God three days to destroy his mind, and three days to restore it. But in time we are talking about millions of years. We are now at about the half way mark, "Christmas", where the days begin to get longer, and the light returns to light a darkened mind.

Resurrection marks the restoration of the mind of the Son of God to it's former glory...to the awareness of it's wholeness, it's perfection, and it's immortality. Symbolically, it took the same amount of time to destroy the temple as it did to restore it, amounting to six days for the re-Creation of the Son of God. The restoration of the Son of God to his glory is his "second coming". That does not come until all aspects of himself have resurrected their minds out of hell.

The writer of this part of the gospel really didn't understand what he was saying. He was simply repeating what he had heard through the grapevine, and it came out sounding like I was very busy while my body lay in the tomb.

Jesus
 
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2) The preincarnate Christ made several appearances in the Old Testament. Please list them all, clearly, and the Old Testament books in which they are included.
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Let's make this clear. I am not subject to the Bible. The Bible is subject to me. I would abolish it except that I do not burn books, nor attack what "Adam" wants. Instead, I interpret the Bible to accomplish the same thing. When all my brothers read the Bible like I read the Bible, they will let it return to the dust from which it came. Therefore, it is only by unanimous decision that the Bible will be abolished. Til then, it and the awful world it describes will remain in the painful experiences of the prodigal Son of God who wants it and makes it. When all see that what it claims to have happened never happened, then the guilt it inspires will be abolished...and with it, the world that is built upon it.

"Adam" is that aspect of Christ that wants to die.

I am that aspect of Christ that chooses to live.

Accordingly, I am careful what I read and how I interpret what I read. Read it one way and you will die like Adam. Read it another way and you will live, like me.

Almost every appearance in the Old Testament is an appearance of Christ, as the prodigal Son. Some appearances are of Christ the savior, coming to save Christ the prodigal.

One such appearance would be the angel that appeared to Abraham just as he is about to sacrifice his son. Abraham here represents the mentality of pretty much everyone in this world, or he would not be in the world in the first place. Everyone in this world believes in sacrifice. And each believes that sacrifice leads to salvation....otherwise he would not be in this world. Everyone in this world has sacrificed in order to be here, for he had to deny he is Christ in order to become the prodigal Son...and the world was thought to be a kind of salvation. And in this exchange, the prodigal gives up everything for virtually nothing. Those who sacrifice are vicious. They do not think clearly, and would even kill their own sons and daughters to gain salvation. Some think "god" is telling them to kill. And this is rooted in the deep superstitious belief that attack can gain back what was lost when the prodigal Son walked out of Paradise. The "angel" informs Abraham that sacrifice is not necessary, and provides a ram instead. And this means that salvation is provided for. There is nothing anyone can do to gain salvation. If the "ram" is not brought to you, then it is not going to work. Simply give up the idea of sacrifice, and salvation will come to you.

In another appearance, Jacob wrestled with an "angel" at night near a river. Jacob symbolizes the prodigal Son who resists the coming of salvation to him. Yet he wrestles with the angel until the angel blesses him. The angel blesses Jacob a new name, "Israel", which turns out to also be the name of the angel. The angel symbolizes the Son as savior. I am Israel, for it is said, "out of Egypt I have called my son Israel". And this applies to my return from Egypt as a young lad, having fled there due to Herod's killing of babes trying to get at me. I gave my name to Jacob who became Israel. Israel, all twelve tribes, represent all peoples. Therefore I had twelve apostles representing all peoples. And all peoples have been given my name, Christ, the Son of God. And more than just a name, they are given that status. More than given, that is their inheritance. But all peoples have thrown away their inheritance in favor of being a prodigal Son who wanders aimlessly through a confusing world of scarce supplies. I merely inform all people who they truly are, Christ. The trials and tribulations of Israel symbolize the history and future of all peoples. The exodus is about leaving this world for the promised land. The promised land is Christ, who is heaven. And all peoples reach heaven once they exodus hell in their minds. In heaven, all peoples know themselves as one, and that one name is Christ.

The first appearance of the prodigal Son is Adam. Adam is the idea of consciousness, the idea that there is something, or someone other than Christ, or some other place to be except heaven. Adam is the idea that there can be many, where before there was One. So Adam splits into two, and two become three, and three become legion. And this gives rise to the hell that is this world. Are not the demons of hell "legion"? It is the idea of legion that makes hell what it is. Adam, as consciousness, is easily confused. He develops concepts about his Creator that are simply not true, and "dies" as a result. As a rule of thumb, if you believe that our Father kicked Adam out of paradise, you do not understand the Father or the Son. If you believe what Adam believed, you will die too. And Genesis reflects what Adam believed. Adam is a pre-time/space consciousness. All the beliefs and feelings that Adam experiences are reflected in the world. You could say that Adam makes this world. He is the "father" of this world. And if you identify with this "father" you will die like he did. As the Son of God, you are not worthy of this. And that is why I said, "call no man father". The son of man dies. The Son of God lives. I am the "second Adam" to appear in the Bible. The first died. I live because I am not confused about who I am.

All of the war in the Bible is the behavior of Christ as the prodigal Son. He believes his Father tells him when and how to go to war. Thus, he is utterly confused about the Father and the Son, and does not know himself. The victims of war are the prodigal Son punishing himself for crimes he never committed...because he thinks himself guilty. He thinks God will attack him for wandering off. So the Bible describes a deep psychosis, a conflict in the mind of the prodigal Son. It's sick. And it get's ugly.

I appear also as "Melchizedek", without beginning and without end. Abraham gives ten percent to Melchizedek who serves him bread, wine and salvation. Likewise, if anyone will give me but ten percent of their attention, I will give them one hundred percept salvation. This means that most of the work is provided for you. I ask for all the willingness you can muster, which isn't much. But you must bring willingness first, because you must be the leader of your own salvation. And with the willingness of a mustard seed, salvation will grow up around you like a giant tree, with room for the birds of the air to take rest. A small percentage of Christ thinks it is not Christ, who is wealthy beyond imagination. Bring this remnant back to Christ, willingly, attentively, that you may be made whole and 100%. Give ten percent of your will, and then watch as the Son of God gives you the strength of his will, and accomplishes everything for you. Abraham sups with Melchizedek, and communes with him. This symbolizes the transfer of knowledge. Likewise, I come to you as your "daily bread", that you may live. You live on every word that comes from my mouth.

I, Jesus, gave ten percent. I got 100% back. I was once like Abraham, the prodigal Son. I watched the Son of God work through me, and in this way I learned that I am the Son of God. Come to me all you who are weary and heavily laden, and I will give you rest in the branches of the tree of life.

Trust me, if you love God with all your heart, all your mind, and all your will...you will be giving ten percent. The rest will be done for you. And it won't be difficult.

Jesus
 
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3) Why is it UNlikely that you died in 30AD? What day and year were you most likely crucified?
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Because I was born in 3 BC? That's a bit of a joke. And the punchline is that this is not as important as you make it out to be.

What is more important is that Stephen was stoned a good 20 years after my crucifixion...

...and Saul/Paul was standing there holding the coats of those who were stoning him, assenting to his death.

S/Paul then went to work on Stephen's message, copying and altering as he pleased. What is good about S/Paul's message is not original. What is original from S/Paul is not good.

Stephen had a gospel called "The Words of The Master", which was destroyed after it was cannibalized by the writers of what's called the synoptic gospels. Once Stephen's gospel was stripped of it's meat, it was repressed, burnt, snubbed, and destroyed. All that is left is bone soup for chickens. It's name is forgotten, but it is recognized by suspcious scholars as a hypothetical "Q" source.

A good hundred years or more after the stoning of Stephen, the gospels as you known them were composed...well after Paul had his influence upon the regional mind. Consequently, those gospels correlate to Paul's way of thinking which became the most popular by 325 AD.

What's important is that Stephen was one of only about three teachers who most authentically represented the message I brought. He worked signs and wonders, and riled people up from all over the region, many of whom came all at once to take him down. S/Paul was one of those. The small bit alloted to him in the NT does not do justice to the magnitude of the man and his message.

Jesus
 
Jesus was just an ordinary rabbi that Paul (who never met him) decided to graft a pagan religion onto to appeal to the Romans.. you'd have to be a little childlike to believe the bible is history
 
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4) What scriptural verses make it clear that your people Israel, would open their eyes and recognize what they had done to you?
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I tell you what, I'll answer the question, and you find the verses in the Bible that either agree or disagree.

S/Paul talks alot about Israel coming to their senses, and eventually coming to salvation. But S/Paul doesn't really understand how or why. Having familiarized himself with the teachings of Stephen and others, S/Paul had a novice grasp on what was called "the Way" before it became known as "Christianity". As a result, S/Paul was vaguely familiar with the idea that "all Israel shall be saved". Paul also remembered something about "predestination", and goes to great length to put round pegs into the square holes of his theology. Hence, he resorts to sophistry...made-up intellectual convolutions that somehow explain how all Israel can be saved within a general context of a God who condemns.

What S/Paul does not understand is that Israel symbolizes everyone. Twelve tribes, twelve apostles...this is simply a number that represents ALL PEOPLE.

All people are "predestined" to be saved because all are "in" Christ. And nothing can ever separate itself from the love that Christ is. Even though it is a matter of free will, each seeming individual will eventually choose life. Individuality brings death, so the choice is one for unity. It's one for all, and all for one. You cannot condemn part without condeming the whole. Therefore, "there is no condemnation in Christ". Neither does our Father condemn us.

Acceptance of this is sometimes a long process that spans several thousand incarnations. Therefore, given enough time, all will rise again - ressurect - to the knowledge that each is an aspect of the Son of God, and the Son has been saved. All will choose life because there is a limit to the amount of pain the Son of God is willing to suffer. All will be saved because time will not end until the very last aspect of the Son has chosen to live instead of cycling around in a world of bodies...which is death. All will be saved because the Holy Spirit has promised our Father that he would save the Son. All are saved because time is an illusion and the work of salvation has already been completed. All will be saved because the Son is not complete without all. All are aspects of Christ in various states of willful ignorance of Self. But all will come to know themselves as Christ, and so all will be saved.

Israel will not open it's eyes apart from everyone, or at any rate slower or faster than anyone. And this is because there is no such thing as "Jew or Greek" in Christ. This is a concept S/Paul talked about because he heard about it from the likes of Stephen, but S/Paul did not understand it. It made S/Paul sound like an apostle, but sounding like and being like are different things.

I do not see differences like "Jew", "Greek", "believer", unbeliever, saved or unsaved. These are all masks and temporary circumstances. What difference does it make when you toss reincarnational cycles into the equation only to find out that Jews become Greeks, Greeks become gay, gay become straight, straight become men, men become women, women become babies, babies become adults. It's really rediculous to label anybody as anything when in fact everything changes in this world which makes it what it is, hell! It's all one mind confusing itself so impossibly complicated, that the mind requires a Guide to find it's way out of a hell hole in its imagination. The Guide is One, and unless the confused accept the unity of all, they will not escape the legions of hell. All will accept, because all are One, and One has already accepted his salvation. I, Jesus, am the symbol of that One. Therefore I am the "Good Shepherd", who is One. It is the unity of the One which prevails against the legions who lock themselves into hell and bar the gates of their own "private" minds. Each mind that closes becomes dark. And in the darkness, eyeballs emerge which see nothing. But behold I stand at the door and knock. To let me in is to let light into your mind so you can see.

The secret of salvation is that we are doing this to ourselves. Yes, I was crucified. But who isn't? Everyone is crucifying everyone all the time. If people aren't punishing themselves, they are punishing others. To see this, you must open your eyes. Open your eyes and see that the world is Christ crucified, and we have done it to ourselves. Then you will be saved.

Remember...salvation is for a confused mind in conflict with itself. Such is the world. As the mind confuses itself, it splits and multiplies into a "legion" of minds, all with a mind of their own. And this is hell. Salvation heals each mind that thinks it is its own private compartment of fantastic thoughts, strange ideas, petty hates, unique grievances, and various self-concepts. As each of these minds rejoins the whole, it becomes whole, holy and healed. When the entire mind is healed, the world disappears and passes aways, because it exists but in the mind of its maker.

Jesus
 
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5) List at least 30 passages that accurately describe and prophecy/foretell your atonements and suffferings in the OT, that are fulfilled in the NT?
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There are no scriptures that foretell my suffering because I did not suffer in my atonement process because atonement does not lead to suffering. I did not suffer except when I did not understand who I was, when I was ignorant. As the Son of God worked wonders through me, I learned that the Son of God does not suffer, does not accept suffering, and cannot suffer. It is only in denial that the Son of God suffers...presuming to be something other than what he is. No one will ever be able to prove that I suffered during the crucifixion sequence. Many assumed that I did. But just as many who were there were astonished that I did not suffer. And this I taught for all of us. I knew myself as innocent, and an innocent mind cannot suffer.

In Luke/Isaiah, there is a passage that I accept as fulfilled in me, but it does not involve suffering.

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He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

"The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to release the oppressed,
to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."

Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, and he began by saying to them, "Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing."
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Once again, this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing/reading. All can accept this anointing. All will accept this anointing. It comes from within, with the authority of God. It comes to those who recognize their authority as the Son of God. Therefore it is just as true for you as it is for me...if you accept it. It just so happens that I accepted this authority 2000 years ago. And this is because I had recognized that all scripture is about One who wanders, who suffers, who sleeps, but who wakes up to his life, to his calling, to his true Self. You cannot see this unless you see the One. There is One sleeping, dreaming of many. There is One waking, waking all the others. Each one who awakens is empowered to accomplish extraordinary tasks. Each one is awake who knows who he is. The Son of God makes himself One with all who accept him and his guidance. He is strong, and he anoints with strength.

The strong do not suffer. The strong do not die. The strong are One. And this is the meaning of the At-One-ment. If you are at One with the Son, you know yourself as innocent. And your innocence is your strength and your defense. Atonement means you have sorted through what is true and what is false, and kept only the true. What is true is innocence. What is false is guilt. Accept innocence, and you accept Oneness with the Son. And you will experience his strength through you. When you are One with the Son, there is no more "you" and him. There is not two, there is only One, and that One is the Son.

Atonement is the re-one-ment of an aspect of the Son that thought is was separate and on it's own. This was never true. Atonement lets this idea go, and accepts the truth: I and my Father are One.

Jesus
 
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6) What does the bible ACTUALLY say about who will go to heaven?

7) Exactly why will most people NOT go to heaven?
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I care only about who the Holy Spirit says will go to heaven, not blogs collected and set on a pedestal.

The Son goes to heaven because the Son is heaven. Heaven is not a place. Nor is this world a place. They are an awareness, or lack thereof. If you are unaware of who you are, you experience this world. If you are aware of who you are, you experience who you are...heaven.

Both the Kingdom of God and the kingdom of this world are within you. One is heaven, the other is hell. Which you choose to believe it is up to you. They are interchangeable, but you cannot be aware of both at the same time because they involve opposite processes. The world is also you, as you are not. It is the opposite of heaven, so it must be hell. And you are heaven or hell depending on what you value. Value the truth, and you will experience heaven. Value the false, and you will experience yourself as hell.

The truth is, you are in heaven now, because you are in the Son who is awake. What thinks it is not the Son is asleep, dreaming of exile, separation, salvation, atonement and strange concepts like guilt and fear. None of these really mean anything in heaven. Even the concept of salvation will be forgotten. You do not experience heaven because your thoughts are focused on the world and it's ways. You are distracted...lost in a kind of dementia. All of this world is within a "lost" mind. It get's lost when it represents itself as legion, seeing itself from a million different veiwpoints.

Realizing that you are awake is what resurrection is all about. You simply rise in your awareness to what is. Heaven is the awareness of unlimited oneness with everything that is real. Hell is the awareness of limitations and distinctions among everything that is not real. To "go to hell" you must deliberately narrow your awareness of yourself as the Son of God, and impose a state of ignorance through repression and denial. This is how hell is born, and how you find your place in it. This is how I was born into the world. Reversing this process is the meaning of "repent". Simply change the thought process that invokes hell. Turn the thought process back toward the truth to extricate yourself from hell. To reach heaven, you must deny hell, because to reach hell, you must have denied heaven. This is an example of the reversal process. Hell is built on a bogus, conjured up state of mind felt as "guilt". To exodus hell, you must deny guilt a place in your mind. Because the whole world reflects what is in your mind, this means you cannot blame anyone for anything. This drains the swamp of guilt dry so you can cross over to the other side.

Most people will not go to heaven because there is an attraction to guilt. There is a perceived value in holding guilt in the mind. For one thing, without guilt, there could be no such thing as bodies. For bodies are time machines, and time keys off of guilt. Without guilt there would be no past or future, and without these concepts, there could be no bodies. Guilt is totally bogus, and so time is also bogus. When time becomes bogus for you, you are left standing in the grace of eternity without a body. Therefore, if you value a body, you must also value guilt, because guilt is a prerequisite. If you value anything in the world, you must also value guilt. The world is a place of punishment...the slow, excruciating torture of the Son of God. This could only happen if he thinks he is guilty. Only when you see the Son of God as innocent do you leave the world. Most are not interested in seeing everyone and everything as innocent. Most want to hold onto grudges, grievances, hatreds and fears. All of these keep them in hell. Forgiveness releases them from hell. It will take some time for everyone to release their attraction to the concept of guilt.

Anyone who believes that there is a hell in the future is trapped in hell, because what you believe is what you want. And if you want there to be a hell, you must be there with anyone you would condemn to hell. If you believe in time, you must remain in time. And time is hell.

It does not matter if you pretend to be unaware of who is or who is not going to hell. If you think that some sins are unforgivable, then you value the concept of guilt, and must remain in hell with those you condemn. So it is imperative that you release anyone and everyone from the concept of guilt so that you can release yourself from hell. This is the "broad" road that most are taking. The "narrow" road is one of universal innocence. Given enough time, the pains of hell will teach everyone that it not worth it to hold grievances. When they are let go, they are released from hell. This is simply a function of mind. It is not anything our Father organizes, except through the constant efforts of the Holy Spirit.

Most do not go to heaven because heaven is seen as insane, while hell is seen as normal. The heavenbound are sometimes seen as insane, and anyone valuing the opinions of hellions will not venture forth to go Home. Hellions are like little kids playing outside in the dark past dusk, not wanting to go Home. But Home keeps calling, and all will heed the call.



Jesus
 
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8) What is the role of good works in the life of a true believer?
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It's good work to change your mind about everything you think you know about the world.

Everyone in the world is a dreamer who believes in what he thinks. But nothing about the world and the thoughts that make it are true. A "true" believer is one who converts the use of the power of faith by giving it to something useful, like the truth. Belief in truth changes everything back to the way it was before fantasy interposed itself in the mind that makes this world.

Behavior makes no difference unless it is able to teach the mind what is true. Behavior is not a good teaching device because it is possible to believe one way while behaving another. Therefore the "good work" is about sorting through beliefs lodged deep in your mind, and changing your mind where the false begins...at the level of cause. Behavior deals with effects. Salvation deals with cause.

One will not begin to deal with cause until he believes what I am teaching him. Therefore only believers will attempt to do any "good works". Unbelievers simply sleep. They will awaken in due time, because they are part of the mind that is awakening. Believers are those who are beginning to awaken to the desire to clear their minds of false beliefs. Ultimately they find that the greatest work is to "do nothing", which deprives the body of cause. This releases the mind from its imprisonment within body, and returns it back home to Spirit where it belongs.

Jesus
 
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9) Why did Judas ACTUALLY betray you? Precise answer, please.
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Judas did not betray me. I can't be betrayed because I am aware of what is going on around me at all time. Judas is as much a Son of God as I am. And at some level, the mind of the Son of God is communicating. So it is not possible to keep any secrets. There is no such thing as a private thought. All minds are joined. Therefore, the Son of God cannot be betrayed.

What you mean is, why did Judas do what he did? He thought that by putting me in a predicament, I would be forced to come out and fight...to be the kind of Messiah he was looking for. He never really expected that I would surrender to be killed. He actually wanted me to live, but in a way that he could accept. In other words, he did not accept me as I am. Unfortunately, he did not stick around long enough to see that I cannot be killed. He also assumed that I suffered. And so he felt unnecessarily terrible.

Jesus
 
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