Now I'm a high priest because I think you're just a strange, role-playing guy pretending to be God and 2000 years old all the while hiding behind the faceless aspect of the internet??
How do you determine existence?
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Now I'm a high priest because I think you're just a strange, role-playing guy pretending to be God and 2000 years old all the while hiding behind the faceless aspect of the internet??
Well, you are a leader among the Christian people. How high you are I'm not sure. Some of those priests were higher than a kite. And you're not exactly in the Christmas spirit when you deny that I am Christ. C'mon. I'm taking it easy on you. Haven't used the words "grinch" or "scrooge" even once!
btw, you wouldn't mind including your name, DOB, and SS number in your next post would you?
Jesus
Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to repress sex. Most religions have always sought to repress sexual expression - until it's time to get married and make more bodies for the church, of course. Telling people to repress their unconscious, pre-programmed desires is like telling a bird not to fly.
Here's a funny fact for you. For the first 750 and some odd years of the church's official existence, from 325 to around 1088, there was no such thing as a requirement for priests' celibacy. Then, Pope Gregory, who had no sense of humor, insisted on all priests being celibate - even the one's who at that time were married!
I, Jesus, had nothing whatsoever to do with this decision. I myself was married to Mary of Magdala...a two hour walk south on the shores of Galilee. This information was repressed from Paul onward in order to build a special mystique about me. Even my own apostles were not enthused about welcoming Mary as an equal into the group. Yet she was one of a small group who transferred my message holistically, honestly, and with much wisdom. When Mary taught, her delivery was literally jaw-dropping. And this was simply unacceptable to men who were still guarding traditional male roles jealously. This jealous group basically fell in with Paul, whose misogynistic tendencies are clearly seen in his letters to Timothy. And together, they cut Mary, Thomas and Stephen out of the history books. To believe there was perfect agreement among the apostles is not but a fantasy.
Celibacy is historically applied to my existence because of a warped view of history, and an unconscious projection of sin and guilt onto the idea of sex. This may be good for the church, but it is not good for the truth. The Postle Paul treats only one type of sex as guiltless. That form is called "holy matrimony". The regulation thereof works perfectly into the hands of a church bent on bending people over a barrel. But the fact is, there is not one form of sex that is holier than another. It is all the same. None of it is evil. But then, none of it is holy either. It's actually nothing.]/i] There is not one sexual preference that is more "right" than another. There are no "wrong" fetishes.
The idea that there is something bad about sex never came from our Father, and it never came from me. Like food, there is nothing wrong with it. There are both normal activities for a body, and any idea to the contrary is completely made up by people. When sex outside of marriage becomes something that is "wrong", you know you've already slipped down a slippery, wet, and prudish slope.
I did not endeavor to start a religion where people could make other people wrong for having bodies and wanting to use them. Rather, I teach the total insignificance of the body so as to lead people to their true Identity as Christ.
Christ has no body, is no body, and needs no body. There is nothing "male or female" about him. Christ is not gender oriented. Christ is Spirit, perfect, beyond all shapes, sizes and forms. He is limitless. And you are that.
Jesus
You get points for arguing, correctly, that a good marriage is arguably the most wonderful thing down here on this rocky planet.
My congratulations to you for seeing that it is all the best the earth has to offer. Some of these marriages are said to be "made in heaven".
I simply teach that the most wonderful thing on earth is not worthy of you as Christ, which is heaven.
Let's examine more carefully what this is all about, this thing called "love".
Really, Christ is love. All else is a substitute. Ultimately, all is Christ, seen truly, or seen as a substitute, transformed into this that and the other. Christ is transformed into substitutes by his own predilections. Basically, Christ always gets what he asks for. Me merely thinks or believes and he recieves. He is denied nothing, even what is false. Love is the giving of what is asked. And Christ always gives what is asked. There is a way of asking however, that adulterates the meaning of love by introducing separations, divisions, and privacy. And all of these adulterations are symbolized by the body. The body is a way to twist and distort the meaning of love. Love's meaning is found in unity and oneness.
If you look at a woman to lust after her, even your wife, you've already changed the meaning of love, and substituted another. And this is because your sight limits Christ to a body, making love meaningless. Love cannot be limited. Once the meaning of love is adulerated, it is lost to your awareness, and you're left confused about what love is. At that point, "lust", and several other feelings are interpreted as "love".
This means that if you look at anyone as a body, male or female, you "commit adultery" because you are limiting Christ to a body...which is meaningless. As Christ, you have the power to see your counterparts as Christ or as a body. So it's your choice whether to make love meaningless or not. The awareness of the body makes love seem limited. The belief in limited love was the bodies origin, made to limit the unlimited. This is not merely allegorical. The body was made to limit you. You limit your counterparts through bodies. As Christ, you have the power to release them, or bind them to bodies. What is your choice?
Your counterparts in Christ conform to your desire to see them as bodies. They conform because as Christ, your influence upon your counterparts is limitless. Your counterparts 'give in' because of love, but it is akin to a princess who turns into a pumpkin because she loves you. You see only the pumpkin because you like pumpkin pie. But to get the pie, you must carve out the heart of the pumpkin with a knife. And this is analogous to what is happening when you choose to see bodies instead of Christ. It's very self-serving, and somewhat 'mean'. You could say that there is an element of vengeance involved in such sight, and a desire to see your counterparts suffer.
Is it surprising then when we here from the Apostle K that "love can tear you up inside"? In order to see bodies, you must tear up Christ inside, carve out loves heart, and see it on a plate in front of your eyes. Is it love? Well, yes, because you've been given what you've asked for...given to you by Christ, who is love itself. But it is a very twisted form of love, wouldn't you say?
This probably sounds "too cosmic" for you, but only because you underestimate the power of who you are, and the ability to mask what you are doing. The mask does not change the fact that you are Christ, and you have the power to choose what you see and experience. And whatever you experience, it must come through your counterparts in Christ, for Christ is all there is.
A body is packaged to die. It is a way of seeing your counterparts in a way that they can be killed...to see them as vulnerable. When you vow to be married "until death do us part", all you are really saying is that you will not relent to look at your partner as a body, until that body ages and dies. Now is that what you call "love"?
But the fact is, you have the power to look at your partner as Christ, and thereby influence that partner to choose immortality instead of death. So long as you deny that you are Christ, you will deny you have power to look at your partner as Christ. "Like a drug that makes you blind", marriage is traditionally a choice not to see.
If you see a counterpart in Christ as a body, you set up conditions in which uniting with "him" or "her" is actually impossible. Only mind can unite, and is united. This is how God made Christ, united. But when you carve Christ up into bodies, you are attempting to divide the mind of Christ by making Christ into "man", a plural phenomenon. "What God has joined, let no man put usunder" means that if you truly love your wife, you will see her as one with you, as Christ.
"Holy" matrimony is simply two seeming individuals determined to overcome their blindness by seeing each other as who they are, as Christ. This type of marriage seeks to dissolve the seeming boundaries that separate themselves from each other. It does not accept the "fence" that the body imposes upon their awareness and their experience.
Holy matrimony is a way of saving time. If "two" can manage, even for a single instant, to be truly together, the whole universe is restored to both. This is the 'ultimate release' that all will one day find in his own way, at his own time. It is accomplished, sometimes by centuries of contemplation or of struggle against temptation. But it is always accomplished upon the recognition that you do not need to do anything. And this is accomplished by withdrawing the value of the body from the mind. Holy matrimony simply combines two with the purpose of becoming one by simultaneous withdrawal of the value of the body from their minds. And this is because there is nothing they can "do" to prepare for their release, except to do nothing.
This is good news for those who understand that sex is nothing. It's a way of doing nothing until nothing is all you want to do. To do anything involves the body. If you recognize you need to nothing, the value of the body leaves your mind, and a door opens through which you slip past centuries of effort, and escape from time.
Time is an illusion. It is holographic and it is finished. The body is a time machine. At no time does the body exist at all except in the past or in anticipation of the future. It never exists now. Time controls the body entirely because the insanity of guilt is never wholly in the present. A couple in holy matrimony is interested in seeing their partner, just for an instant, without any past or future. Release is given the instant it is desired.
Many have spent a lifetime preparing for this instant. A couple in holy matrimony saves time by preparing only to wholly desire true togetherness. They do not spend time resisting the nothingness of sex. They do not waste time trying to make the body "holy" either, as if it was some sacred thing. Nor do they spend their lives in contemplation and meditation aimed at detachment from the body. If they did, they would succeed, because of their purpose. Yet such means are tedious and very time consuming. That is, all techniques that look toward the future for release from a state of present unworthiness/inadequacy are time consuming because the instant of release cannot come while a future is anticipated! The couple prepares by giving their allegiance and undivided loyalty to non-body states of mind by affirming they need to nothing for their release.
You see, to see a body is a form of faithlessness. The instant of release comes the moment faith in the body is suspended, withheld and left unused. At that moment, faith gravitates toward what is true about the other. And sight comes to the blind.
When the eyes open, they see Christ. Now, can you imagine how beautiful your partner will look when you can "see" him/her? Nothing you see here, sleeping or waking, comes near such loveliness. And there won't be anything you value more than this...nothing you hold so dear. Nothing in this life that you can ever remember that made your heart sing with joy has ever brought you even a little sample of the happiness this sight will bring you. This sight will show you the Son of God.
All of my teaching leads you to this sight. It is a learning process culminating in a single instant - poof! - your eyes open and you can see. This loveliness is not a fantasy. It is the "real" world, bright and clean and new, with everything sparkling under the open sun. There are no fantasies here that hide the truth. The world you see in time, and this world I am describing are very different. And when you cross the bridge from one to the other, you will wonder that the bridge is so little, and so easy to cross. But it is the meeting place of worlds without much in common, except that they both exist in perception. Those who reach the "real" world of perception will go beyond, enticed by the reflection of truth upon it. Beyond is the realm of knowledge. This is your home, where you came from to visit time. And there you will return upon your choice to do so.
Jesus
That depends on the perspective. While the Mormons have built themselves indefensible castles of sand (like, how come we never find any ruins from these supposed civilizations in the New World, described in the Book of Mormon);
the description of the power of the true believer in heaven is far beyond making clouds, trees, etc. Gods? No. But as bearing the image of God, the NT says "do you not know you will judge angels?" Or to those who well managed their talents they were entrusted with, it is described that they will rule cities. They are described as a royal priesthood. When Jesus said that if they had the faith of a mustard seed, they could command a mountain to throw itself into the sea, etc. etc. To such power, I suspect making a tree would be a simple task. Command it, and it will be appear. The angels who appear throughout the OT/NT do amazing things, and ultimately, they will be servants of the true believer.
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If you look at a woman to lust after her, even your wife, you've already changed the meaning of love, and substituted another. And this is because your sight limits Christ to a body, making love meaningless.
This is pure babble and incorrect. It was because lusting after another woman was to commit adultery with her in your heart. You are violating her, and separates yourself from God. This is called "sin."
When people experience a vision of God, these are usually marked by feelings of being dirty or unworthy. Isaiah saw this, and said "Woe is me for I am a man of unclean lips. When Peter realized who Jesus was, while fishing, he said "Depart from me Lord, for I am a sinful man." When Moses experience God on the Mount, God told him to take off his shoes, for the ground was holy. When John saw the resurrected Christ (Revelation), he fell to the ground as though he were dead. When the 3 disciples saw Jesus in His glory on the mount of transfiguration when he was speaking with 2 other past biblical characters, it reduced Peter to insane babbling.
Sort of what you are giving continuously, here
If you look at a woman to lust after her, even your wife, you've already changed the meaning of love, and substituted another. And this is because your sight limits Christ to a body, making love meaningless.
This is pure babble and incorrect. It was because lusting after another woman was to commit adultery with her in your heart. You are violating her, and separates yourself from God. This is called "sin."
When people experience a vision of God, these are usually marked by feelings of being dirty or unworthy. Isaiah saw this, and said "Woe is me for I am a man of unclean lips. When Peter realized who Jesus was, while fishing, he said "Depart from me Lord, for I am a sinful man." When Moses experience God on the Mount, God told him to take off his shoes, for the ground was holy. When John saw the resurrected Christ (Revelation), he fell to the ground as though he were dead. When the 3 disciples saw Jesus in His glory on the mount of transfiguration when he was speaking with 2 other past biblical characters, it reduced Peter to insane babbling.
Sort of what you are giving continuously, here
I will get right on it.
However you must understand, that the Son of God is the Word of God for those who will listen. And those who wrote the Bible were not very good listeners. Sometimes they listened to me, sometimes they listened to their ego. So the Bible is not the kind of document that I would recommend for your salvation...which is the sorting out of what is true from what is false within your mind. The Bible reflects a conflicted mind. Therefore, it is not likely to be able to heal yours. The evidence for this claim can be seen in the Bible's inability to reduce confusion amongst the peoples. Rather, division and conflict are very much it's legacy.
And now, I will begin to address your points.
Jesus